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re: Time to buy some XOM(Oil stock discussions)?

Posted on 8/22/15 at 9:21 am to
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10248 posts
Posted on 8/22/15 at 9:21 am to
I've always maintained very, very conservative equity investment philosophies. It isn't often when portfolio insurance breaks even, and that isn't the strategy for insuring gains in any event. Or insurance in general, notwithstanding the comments on here about cheapest is always best. But I digress.

Not being able to time the top of VIX, I sold to close yesterday at a strike of $26.00, which paid for my last two years of insurance, and gave me a bit of cash.

It's been a tough year. I went through this morning and I'm up unrealized gains of 14.45%, but realized gains, which is really the only number that counts, is slightly above 12%. The only reason 12% is at 12%, is insurance. Period. If I backed out net cost and gain, I'd be level for the YTD.

This is my after tax account. Obviously the retirement account I have at my business, managed by "experts", hasn't fared as well. Partially my fault as I went in to sme income funds likely too early.

In any event, I stand by now looking for capitulation, mostly in the oil sector, but am open to ideas in other areas.

The technical guys can't seem to determine a technical bottom, so Monday should prove interesting.

Having an extremely well balanced portfolio, my hope is we drop another 25% at least. I'm trying to get my head around how much VIX I could collect, and a decent point to sell about 25-40% of my metals at that point.
Posted by SomeGuyFromLA
Texas
Member since Dec 2014
139 posts
Posted on 8/22/15 at 11:36 am to
Fortunately I've got a long horizon. Doesn't make owning XOM, SDRL, VDE, CVX or MRO any easier to swallow. I'm getting slaughtered
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
19263 posts
Posted on 8/22/15 at 12:32 pm to
IG, when I saw VIX gain 46% on Friday...let me say that again, FORTY-SIX percent in ONE day...I thought of you and your insurance monologues
Congrats

Regarding oil: I'm about to pick up extra work in the afternoons, sell most of my clothing, and trim any fat off my budget to buy ALL the MRO I can buy when it hits $9.99
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:56 am to
quote:

I've always maintained very, very conservative equity investment philosophies. It isn't often when portfolio insurance breaks even, and that isn't the strategy for insuring gains in any event. Or insurance in general, notwithstanding the comments on here about cheapest is always best. But I digress.

Not being able to time the top of VIX, I sold to close yesterday at a strike of $26.00, which paid for my last two years of insurance, and gave me a bit of cash.

It's been a tough year. I went through this morning and I'm up unrealized gains of 14.45%, but realized gains, which is really the only number that counts, is slightly above 12%. The only reason 12% is at 12%, is insurance. Period. If I backed out net cost and gain, I'd be level for the YTD.

This is my after tax account. Obviously the retirement account I have at my business, managed by "experts", hasn't fared as well. Partially my fault as I went in to sme income funds likely too early.

In any event, I stand by now looking for capitulation, mostly in the oil sector, but am open to ideas in other areas.

The technical guys can't seem to determine a technical bottom, so Monday should prove interesting.

Having an extremely well balanced portfolio, my hope is we drop another 25% at least. I'm trying to get my head around how much VIX I could collect, and a decent point to sell about 25-40% of my metals at that point.


Isn't VIX just a volatility metric. How does buying options in VIX act as insurance?
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