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Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:40 pm to MrLSU
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What is the Phil Fulmerization effect you ask? Its when the fans place unrealistic expectations on the program only to force out the head coach a few years later.
The problem is not firing the coach. It is the next guy you hire to replace him. Thats what worries me with Alleva as the AD. He is a bean counter and i have no faith we would get a KNOWN Quantity in a head coach.
Also how is it possible that LSU is not among the top as far as facilities and recruiting budget. I blame Alleva for that as well, though I'm sure there are other factors.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:43 pm to MrLSU
Remember when Bama fired Shula after going to the SEC title game? Crazy shite happens. If Saban doesnt leave miami, how fricked would they be?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:43 pm to MrLSU
It's more like the Laweezyana effect:
Hire best coach of the century to build up program.
Because of the talent rich state, hire a coach who can keep the Ferrari I between the ditches. While this will help in the immediate time frame, it will also allow an average coach to produce average or above average results for long periods of time.
Hire best coach of the century to build up program.
Because of the talent rich state, hire a coach who can keep the Ferrari I between the ditches. While this will help in the immediate time frame, it will also allow an average coach to produce average or above average results for long periods of time.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:45 pm to Fat Bastard
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Really???? Do you realize the talent les has had here? It was enough to win 4 nattys. 06. 07. 2011 and 2012.
In any given year there are anywhere from 4 to 8 teams that "have enough talent" to win the national championship. Most of them don't.
Miles going 1 for 4 is probably about par for the course. Chip Kelly "had enough talent" to win a couple of championships, but never did. Same with Harbaugh/Shaw. Mark Richt. Mack Brown "had enough talent" about 7 or 8 times, and only managed one MNC.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:46 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
Wait what????? Shula was not in the 2006 sec title game. It was florida and arky.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:04 pm to Fat Bastard
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exactly. just because a guy wins a title does not mean he is infallible and cannot go downhill and need to go. According to some here if a guy wins a title keep him forever regardless!
zook went and UF got better with Meyer
so your premise is a response to people saying Miles is infallible because he won a title, which is obviously a straw man because no one came close to saying anything like that, but it's SO dumb that not even you can stick with it on your first examples, and you're the one who made it up.
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donnan went and UGA got better with richt
in his 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th seasons, Richt went 31-14 (11-2,10-3,8-5,2-4 in the first 6 games).
Miles is 37-9 over that same span. so if Richt is a good coach...
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shula went and bama got better with saban
really taking some bold stances here, arent you. youre skipping the part where they offered the job to rich rodriguez and only stumbled blindly onto saban
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bowden(nc coach btw) went and FSU got better with jimbo
chizik (nc coach btw) went and auburn got better with malzahn.
finally we get to the coaches with titles, and of course your examples are dumb. Fisher was hired as HCIW 3 years before Bowden was fired, and Malzahn was only gone for 1 season. that was one promotion and one easy hire, situations not comparable to LSU at all
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you will have times like coker at miami and fulmer at Tennessee
Coker took over the most talented program of all time and spiked it into the dirt like a fricking lawn dart, on multiple levels, how is he comparable to Fulmer in any way?
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:45 pm to supatigah
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From 2010-2013 LSU is 44-9 in the toughest division
Such horseshite
Why did Vandy fire their coach in 2010? Because they were 1 of the toughest teams in the toughest conf?
Ole Miss in 2011?
A&M in 2011?
KY in 2012?
Auburn in 2012?
Arky in 2012?
Tenn in 2012?
And Fla wasn't consistently tough from 2010 to 2013. Neither was Moo St. Neither was UGa. Didnt play Mizzou
That's a lot of coaches to go through if their teams were so tough?
The only 2 consistently tough teams we have played were So Car & Bama. The way Miles coaches only makes the other SEC coaches look good (see Dooley, Nutt, Chizik, Muschamp, John L Smith, Bielema).
2013
1 Florida State
2 AUBURN (x2) / lost to LSU
3 ALABAMA (x3) / beat LSU
4 Michigan State
5 Stanford
6 Baylor
7 Ohio State
8 Missouri
9 So CAROLINA (x3) / DNP
10 Oregon
11 Oklahoma
12 Clemson
13 Oklahoma State
14 Arizona State
15 UCF
2012
1 Notre Dame
2 ALABAMA (x2) / beat LSU
3 FLORIDA (x1) / beat LSU
4 Oregon
5 Kansas State
6 Stanford
7 GEORGIA (x1) / DNP
8 LSU
9 A&M (x1) / lost to LSU
10 So CAROLINA (x2) / lost to LSU
11 Oklahoma
12 Florida State
13 Oregon State
14 Clemson
15 Northern Illinois
2011
1 LSU
2 ALABAMA (x1) / 1-1 vs LSU
3 Oklahoma State
4 Stanford
5 Oregon
6 ARKANSAS (x2) / lost to LSU
7 Boise State
8 Kansas State
9 So CAROLINA (x1) / DNP
10 Wisconsin
11 Virginia Tech
12 Baylor
13 Michigan
14 Oklahoma
15 Clemson
2010
1 AUBURN (x1) / beat LSU
2 Oregon
3 TCU
4 Stanford
5 Wisconsin
6 Ohio State
7 Oklahoma
8 ARKANSAS (x1) / beat LSU
9 Michigan State
10 Boise State
11 LSU
12 Missouri
13 Virginia Tech
14 Oklahoma State
15 Nevada
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:49 pm to Catman88
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Hard to compare Tennessee to LSU when LSU is sitting on a recruiting hotbed and Tennessee's recruiting area is a hot mess.
While true, we werent sitting on a hot bed when Miles got here.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:57 pm to Fat Bastard
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Agreed. We have always had the per capita talent.
Per capita is such bullshite. LA had down years from 2005-2010. We had to recruit oos to keep the program afloat.
Lets look at Last years draft. LA had 10 players drafted. FL had 44. 4 times as many players from Florida went to the Nfl than did LA. So even if we sign all 1O of those guys, which none of them were qbs, that doesnt even make up a team. now if any of those florida teams hold down the state, they are set. Even if you spread those players out amongst 4 teams, thats 4 teams in florida with equal talent as LSU.
here is the problem, Our state produces athletes, not line backers, not dts, not qbs. Wrs, Rbs, and dbs are LAs bread and butter. Sorry but this per capita shite is the biggest bullshite argument especially considering Les became coach when a hurricane ravaged the most talent rich part of the state.
georgia had 25 players drafted, 25. Split that between GA and GA tech, still more than LSU.
Again you prove to be one of the shittiest posters on this board.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:11 pm to supatigah
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From 2010-2013 LSU is 44-9 in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the country. Which is a 0.83 winning %
With a 13-1 8-0 season in there.
So frick you
and what the record from 2013-2014
frick you right back
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:19 pm to MrLSU
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What is the Phil Fulmerization effect you ask?
No I didn't but since you brought it up and obviously don't know what happened to Fulmer's program I let you in on it. It has been discussed in the sports world ad nauseum that Fulmer recruited OOS heavily and successfully in the Carolinas, GA, FL, AL, LA, and MS. He had too because TN has very little in state talent. When each of the state programs picked up their game and started retaining their instate talent Fulmer's recruiting started falling off drastically. Hence the start tDecline at UT.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:02 pm to sheek
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Auburn didn't want to be the next tenn .. They were bold .. will we ? Lol yeah right .. LSU BOS will let miles run the program into the ground
Auburn wasn't bold. They just realized Malzan was the brains of Chiziks operation, and they were right
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:02 pm to goatman1419
quote:But don't forget the All-Star teams we lost to out of state schools like Fl.St & Miami.
Really??? The 90's say Hi
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:03 pm to MrLSU
Fulmers recruiting and coaching sucked at the end. The problem wasn't forcing him out but who they replaced him with.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:06 pm to Catman88
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Hard to compare Tennessee to LSU when LSU is sitting on a recruiting hotbed
I assure you Texas has access to more talent than LSU does and look at them
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:08 pm to kmh5star
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So we should expect to get blown out in our first 2 sec games and convert 2 of 26 3rd down conversions? Wow! I didn't know that.
These things happen when the best players on your team (with the exception of two or three guys) are all freshmen
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:11 pm to MoreOrLes
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The problem is not firing the coach. It is the next guy you hire to replace him.
This.
I swear people on this board believe that 2 Nick Sabans and a Chip Kelly are lined up outside of the sports admin building, resumes in hand.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:15 pm to ZereauxSum
That's why every year people think we can hire gruden. Dude makes bank talking jibberish out dated west coast offense bullshite.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:16 pm to dgnx6
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dgnx6
great job rebutting all the facts I have laid out in this thread.
yeah our per capita talent has always sucked huh? yeah there was no talent for curley or retardo either huh. They were great coaches just had no talent pool.
So Saban lied when he said that was a MAIN reason why he took this job?
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Again you prove to be one of the shittiest posters on this board.
only to a pumper like you who has ostrich syndrome. KEEP ON PUMPIN BROTHER!!!!
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 8:19 pm
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