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re: Grimes being hammered for OLine play, why isn't Brick Haley eating it for DLine?

Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:53 pm to
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:53 pm to
Weren't you the one bitching about Grimes and saying you wanted stud back?
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30075 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:54 pm to
collins is a SR, vadal a jr, porter a SR and Hawins is a 2nd year starter who's in his third year in the program

What are you talking about?
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 4:55 pm
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:55 pm to
Also, Brick has put like 84 linemen in the league. I'm not certain he overnight forgot how to spot them or coach them. The problem with attrition is LSU can't afford to have these guys learn the position or to miss on any of them, because these issues basically will cripple the defense.

from 2011 you lost these guys (many to the league):

Ken Adams
Chancey Aghayere
Michael Brockers
Josh Downs
Ego
Anthony Johnson
Logan
Edwards
Sonic
Mingo

and you missed on Dennis Johnson, Maclin, and Allen.

There isn't a whole lot of room for error.
Posted by koLSU86
Member since Aug 2012
3472 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:55 pm to
The entire offense improved when Harris entered the game. The O-line started opening up holes and everyone seemed to play with a little more energy. Harris only threw the ball one time on his first series and it was a screen pass. We ran the ball down their throat like we should have been doing the entire game. The formations were more open with some three wide sets on first down instead of i-formation and one wide. Everything just flowed better with him at the helm. I think Jennings is just a limited quarterback and it causes the entire offense to get away from what they're good at. So, I would expect a tremendous improvement in the offense in general from start to finish and in turn less snaps for the defense creating a better product on that side of the ball as well.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43327 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:56 pm to
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Weren't you the one bitching about Grimes and saying you wanted stud back?
No, I asked who would prefer Stud. Learn to read.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:57 pm to
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Rasco and Hunter are young
Rasco and Hunter are playing ok
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:57 pm to
Stud is gone but the lack of corching and bad habits remain so Grimes gets a pass this year IMO

Miles should have let Stud go 2 years ago IMO.


Bricks issues are talent related. not sure where that blame gets placed
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:58 pm to
Pocic
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25346 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:59 pm to
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Bricks issues are talent related. not sure where that blame gets placed



At some point players have to play. No one would have said don't recruit Bain, Gilmore, and Herron. No one would have though Mickey Johnson couldn't be taught to be a competent body. On the upside, the staff really did great work on Thomas. If he was ever fully healthy, his production would be very impressive.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:01 pm to
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D line is young.

bullshite! Young? WTF does that mean when your job is simply to not get blown out of position.

It has been a consistent struggle for years on the DL and can no longer be blamed on age.

Theya re NOT being coached up, they are just not up to speed. No one is asking for all americans, but my GOd can they do anything?
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30075 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:01 pm to
one young guy on the OL = a young OL?

You have a dumb argument dude
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:02 pm to
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It has been a consistent struggle for years on the DL and can no longer be blamed on age.


False. It is directly age related when combined with attrition. That is exactly the problem. It has to be blamed on that because that is the actual problem.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30075 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:02 pm to
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It has been a consistent struggle for years on the DL and can no longer be blamed on age.



Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:02 pm to
Staff didn't really want Johnson though. They cooled on him for a reason and his commitment was a surprise. Hunter and Rasco are utter busts at this point...so yeah, they struck out on them. However, it's too early to evaluate the rest of the lineman because they're all true sophomores or younger.

Haley developed many NFL players here. I can't remember but didn't he evaluate the ridiculous line class when we got Mingo, Brockers, Sam, etc? Hell, Lavar Edwards even turned out to be damn good but because LSU's line was so good he was second string and still went to NFL.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:03 pm to
People that are bashing our oline play are crazy. You could have the 92 cowboys oline and they couldn't block 10 man fronts. I dont think posters understand how little other teams respected our passing game. 85% of the game Miss st was in man coverage with one safety over the top.then when we were in obvious passing downs all the defense had to do was pin their ears back.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25346 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:03 pm to
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Staff didn't really want Johnson though. They cooled on him for a reason and his commitment was a surprise.


I'm not a recruiting guy, so I'm not sure, but I though they cooled on MJ because they thought he wouldn't qualify. Then, he surprised the world by qualifying.

Rasco and Hunter are not busts. That's absurd.

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This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 5:05 pm
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:05 pm to
quote:

It has been a consistent struggle for years on the DL and can no longer be blamed on age


Posters like you are the reason for the name RANTARDS. Good god man. Lsu has put Second string dlineman into the nfl.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17372 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:06 pm to
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No, I asked who would prefer Stud.


horseshite, I remember the thread. You raised the question in a backhanded way towards Grimes and then tried to prop up Stud despite the pathetic effort he gave the last two years he was here. In fact, is that you fatass?
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:06 pm to
LSU has had a ton of early leaves to the NFL on the dline. The oline is experienced and shouldn't be playing like they are. The dline has the excuse of experience though because they usually rotate at least 2 lineman in each position and they've barely rotated lineman in critical situations. Hunter/Rasco/QT are the only older lineman on that entire dline. Everyone else with the exception of MJ who doesn't even play is no older than a true sophomore. That's a lot of inexperience and then you have 2 busts in Hunter/Rasco.

It's impossible to have your dline dominate each year when you lose the amount of juniors on the dline like LSU did. Even Brockers left early and he was only a RS Sophomore.

A large reason LSU is getting gashed on runs is a combination of inexperience, discipline, physical growth(too young), technique and complete fatigue due to lack of rotations. Davon and Lacouture(sp?) should be in reserve duty right now but because we don't have anyone better than them now, they're forced to play.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:08 pm to
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The oline is experienced and shouldn't be playing like they ar


5 guys can't block 8-9 men. Its impossible
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