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Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:04 am
Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:04 am
not a major level of violence but one of many racist or bigoted behaviors by Israeli Jews. Please read the entire article. If you think they are sweet angelic figures, no, they are a hateful bunch.
Remember, these are not Muslims who are being spat upon.
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A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.
By Amiram Barkat | Oct. 12, 2004 | 12:00 AM | 21
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A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.
The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.
On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.
Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.
But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.
"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks.
According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."
Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.
There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says.
Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.
"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says.
Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched."
Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.
He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.
Remember, these are not Muslims who are being spat upon.
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A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.
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A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.
The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.
On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.
Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.
But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.
"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks.
According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."
Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.
There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says.
Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.
"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says.
Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched."
Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.
He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:17 am to rtts48
Not excusing this by any means but why would Christians want to live or be overtly Christian in more fundamentalist areas of Israel in the first place?
There are literally hundreds of other countries (or progressive areas of Israel, for that matter) to live in freely.
There are literally hundreds of other countries (or progressive areas of Israel, for that matter) to live in freely.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 6:19 am
Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:26 am to SirWinston
that's the heart of Christianity, the old Quarter. They have a right to be there and dressed as monks, Orthodox Christians or whatever. They have a right to wear a big cross necklace and walk the streets as Jesus did.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:32 am to rtts48
quote:you're pretty new, so if I were you, I would familiarize myself with the term:
Rtts48
TLDR
usually, this is the reply you will get when copy and paste a lengthy article. Especially when you don't proof it and remove extraneous text that has no bearing on the article.
Oh, and......
TLDR.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 7:14 am to rtts48
Dude you have a Trackfan like posting history. Holy fixation with da Joos.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 7:21 am to rtts48
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not a major level of violence but one of many racist or bigoted behaviors by Israeli Jews.
So a couple of instances of really mild bigotry and we can conclude?
My little sister lives in Jerusalem. She tells interesting stories.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:07 am to SirWinston
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Not excusing this by any means but why would Christians want to live or be overtly Christian in more fundamentalist areas of Israel in the first place?
I don't know...maybe because it's the holiest site in Christianity and they've been living their as Christians for ~2000 years
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So a couple of instances of really mild bigotry and we can conclude?
There were a few anti-Christian riots by the Jews when Francis traveled there recently
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 8:09 am
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:33 am to rtts48
The world would be much better off without religion. You don't wonder if the supreme diety could do his own spitting?
Of course he could, which is why the fundamentalists are usually the ones with the biggest doubts. The truth will win in the end, that religions create us vs them mentalities and foster division, violence, and drama. I can't wait for a pan-arab atheist movement to get some traction. I believe the instability in these Islamic areas is actually a symptom of religious doubt, not religious fervor.
Of course he could, which is why the fundamentalists are usually the ones with the biggest doubts. The truth will win in the end, that religions create us vs them mentalities and foster division, violence, and drama. I can't wait for a pan-arab atheist movement to get some traction. I believe the instability in these Islamic areas is actually a symptom of religious doubt, not religious fervor.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:35 am to inthemorning
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The world would be much better off without religion
The USSR and PRC say hi
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:40 am to TN Bhoy
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There were a few anti-Christian riots by the Jews when Francis traveled there recently
We could do a survey and see if the Christians prefer the spitting or the beheading?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:41 am to TN Bhoy
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The USSR and PRC say hi
Strawman says hi.
Government is itself a religion for many people. Laws come from a super-human power, like a God. Legalese serves as a modern incomprehensible language like latin did for the catholic church before common vernacular bibles.
But taking that aside:
The greed and power seizing from the USSR didn't stop with religion, all facets of the lives of people were affecting, changing business-owners to usufruct tenets. Even if you don't accept my hypothesis that religion is in many ways a religion, you have to admit religion wasn't singled out in your examples. Both governments seized all aspects of people's lives.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:45 am to the808bass
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We could do a survey and see if the Christians prefer the spitting or the beheading?
I can guarantee you that the Christians in that region would overwhelmingly vote Palestine over Israel, if that's what you mean.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:47 am to rtts48
Someone can spit on me all they want but just know that I'm going to ball up my fist and try to break my hand on their face
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:51 am to TN Bhoy
As does Cambodia under Pol Pot, Ethiopia under Mengistu, Poland under Bierut and Mongolia under Choibalsan.
From 1917 to 2007, 52 atheists were responsible for the deaths of almost 150 million people.
From 1917 to 2007, 52 atheists were responsible for the deaths of almost 150 million people.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:56 am to TN Bhoy
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I can guarantee you that the Christians in that region would overwhelmingly vote Palestine over Israel, if that's what you mean.
The Christians would prefer to live in Palestine? Debatable.
That's not to say the Jews get all touchy feely with the Christians. But if spitting is the apex of the bigotry, it's far better than every Muslim-ruled country.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:58 am to Jbird
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Dude you have a Trackfan like posting history. Holy fixation with da Joos.
Just like clockwork. You've become a caricature of yourself. Likud settler scum couldn't have a better friend than you.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:00 am to the808bass
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From 1917 to 2007, 52 atheists were responsible for the deaths of almost 150 million people.
Such a dangerous game to play. So many millions, perhaps billions of people throughout human history have been murdered as a result of religious differences.
Those leaders were seizing power using the cult of government. Using icons of the state they believed that piety to the state would make things better and used that logic to seize power as violently as possible. Plenty of religious leaders have done the same thing, from the Boyne to Hastings, governments are ALL about violence monopolies.
Are we really talking about circuitously defending God or gods? The god of the bible is a petty, jealous, violent, and insecure diety. It is a direct reflection of the men that imagined it.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:00 am to trackfan
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Likud settler scum
Way to prove him wrong.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:03 am to trackfan
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Just like clockwork. You've become a caricature of yourself. Likud settler scum couldn't have a better friend than you.
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