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it doesn't matter if climate change is manmade or not. Until there is a better solution than cap and trade or increased regulations that make electricity and fuel more expensive you will not persuade me.

I just wish all the conservatives here would be this honest instead of playing at science.

It's really a mystery to me how this has become a core tenet of conservatism with regard to carbon dioxide. Certainly there were some cottage industries of bad science contra ozone depletion and acid rain, but they never had this sort of universal "damn the atmosphere if I have to pay one more red cent" religiosity behind them.

Fossil fuels are cheap because they treat the atmosphere as a free lunch. If carbon emissions were priced then nuclear would be cheaper and private rail would be a thing. (This would be doubly true if nuclear weren't ridiculously over-regulated and the auto industry wasn't coddled, but those are separate gripes.)

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Posted by NC_Tigah

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Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:48 am to Iosh

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Fossil fuels are cheap because they treat the atmosphere as a free lunch. If carbon emissions were priced then nuclear would be cheaper and private rail would be a thing. (This would be doubly true if nuclear weren't ridiculously over-regulated

Exxxcellent!

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Posted by WeeWee

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Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:24 am to Iosh

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"damn the atmosphere if I have to pay one more red cent" religiosity behind them.

I can't and am not going to try and speak for all conservatives but I don't want to pay one more damn cent to save the planet when the science can't demonstrate that there is a major problem. All the models are inaccurate to say the least and being revised. Will the taxes be revised and will I be issued a tax refund or a refund for my carbon credits if the actual warming is not as predicted? I don't think so.

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Fossil fuels are cheap because they treat the atmosphere as a free lunch. If carbon emissions were priced then nuclear would be cheaper and private rail would be a thing.

So if I follow you correctly, you want to deregulate one industry and the increase regulate another? Fossil fuels are cheap because they are abundant and simple to use. It does not take a physics degree to run a natural gas or coal plant like it does a nuclear. I would love it they deregulated and increased nuclear but the ideas that a climate friendly gov would deregulate is laughable.

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Posted by Taxing Authority

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Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:24 am to Iosh

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I just wish all the conservatives here would be this honest instead of playing at science.

Yea. No democrats *cough*formvervp*cough* would do anything like that. It's just the conservatives...

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It's really a mystery to me how this has become a core tenet of conservatism with regard to carbon dioxide

You can't figure it out? Really? When all of the "solutions" align PERFECTLY and without exception to a political party's agenda...

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Fossil fuels are cheap because they treat the atmosphere as a free lunch.

False. Fossil fuels are cheap because they are abundant, and they provide some of the greatest energy density per mass and volume in all of nature in an easily liberated from. As far as I know I've never seen anyone advocate for fossil fuels because they generate CO2 and pollutants.