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re: What should be Americans' response to the real terrorists?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:02 pm to genro
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:02 pm to genro
Bldg 7?
Look let me clear the air here. I love discussions like this. I don't have a theory as to who brought down the towers. I, like most people believe it was Islamic terrorists. But I do not think we know everything about that day. I am always open to theories and research them the best way I can. But there's holes in the govts accusation that it was al Qaeda. There is also holes that the federal govt was responsible for that day.
What I have a problem with is how that morning is used to scare us. It's used as propaganda so the federal govt can break the law. That cannot be denied.
Look let me clear the air here. I love discussions like this. I don't have a theory as to who brought down the towers. I, like most people believe it was Islamic terrorists. But I do not think we know everything about that day. I am always open to theories and research them the best way I can. But there's holes in the govts accusation that it was al Qaeda. There is also holes that the federal govt was responsible for that day.
What I have a problem with is how that morning is used to scare us. It's used as propaganda so the federal govt can break the law. That cannot be denied.
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:06 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
In keeping with this boards ongoing, "What should be America's response" threads...
What if America discovered that the richest and most powerful people on earth are responsible for creating/controlling global terrorism, including 9/11, as well as financial terrorism.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:07 pm to WhoDatGreenBeret
quote:Yes, but so was the cold war. So is illegal immigration. So is fricking gay marriage. Was McCarthy actually a Russian Communist who created the Soviet Union in order to control Americans? That's the leap you're making.
What I have a problem with is how that morning is used to scare us. It's used as propaganda so the federal govt can break the law. That cannot be denied.
People may certainly see fear among the constituents, and may pounce for some measure of domestic control. To suggest this proves they are the source of the fear itself is not logical, much less definitive.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:12 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
I would add that trillions in natural resources are up for grabs in Afghanistan. Countries in the Middle East (Iraq, Iran, Syria to name a few) threatened the Petro Dollar and refused to conform to the international banking cabal pre-9/11.
Those are all being "corrected" post 9/11.
So according to your infantile thinking, "they" (presumably the evil Zionists pulling the strings on Wall Street) staged 9/11 as a pretense to win the world's sympathy and permission to invade Iraq and liberate oil fields, etc etc. One would think such dastardly villains would have had the foresight to plant Iraqi terrorists (or at least a single one) on the 9/11 so as to secure their case for invading Iraq, but that obvious notion apparently slipped the minds of the world's most ingenious cabal.
You think you're being clever and outwitting us with your gibberish theories, but the sad fact is that these theories collapse under the most basic scrutiny. They can't even pass the smell test.
Thanks for playing.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:14 pm to genro
So again I ask you a question I asked earlier. Is the answer to continue to raise the stakes when the next attack happens? Meaning next attack do we take guns away from Americans? Do we outlaw free speech? How many of our liberties will we be willing to sacrifice in order to get this secure safe nation?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:19 pm to REG861
If TX is right the ONLY course is a global uprising that brings down every bank and financial institution.
Every politician world over would need to be gulaged or put to death since we don't know who all is involved or not as they are really really good at working in the shadows and pulling all the strings across the world.
Then we start all over again world wide. Rinse and repeat.
If there is another way to insure success TX I would like to hear it.
Every politician world over would need to be gulaged or put to death since we don't know who all is involved or not as they are really really good at working in the shadows and pulling all the strings across the world.
Then we start all over again world wide. Rinse and repeat.
If there is another way to insure success TX I would like to hear it.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:24 pm to WhoDatGreenBeret
quote:A few, apparently.
How many of our liberties will we be willing to sacrifice in order to get this secure safe nation?
quote:Not possible, there would be mass death and likely civil war.
Meaning next attack do we take guns away from Americans?
quote:Millions of Americans won't abide it. I won't. I can't answer for everyone.
Do we outlaw free speech
quote:Two.
How many of our liberties will we be willing to sacrifice in order to get this secure safe nation?
I have no idea dude. I don't really know what your point is. I don't want a totalitarian state in the name of safety. Do you think I do? I agree with you and Benjamin Franklin. I think a lot of Americans do too, hopefully the large majority, and a true overt abridging of our basic god-Given rights - life, speech, religion, the pursuit of happiness (occupational freedom) - would not be tolerated.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:48 pm to TX Tiger
No verbal reply at all. I would not talk to them. Ignore them.
When an American is killed. I would hold nothing back to kill everyone of those MFers. Nothing.
You have to send a strong message. Even if it requires you are there for years. I would start with the radical leaders in the mosque. Thats where it starts and will end.
When an American is killed. I would hold nothing back to kill everyone of those MFers. Nothing.
You have to send a strong message. Even if it requires you are there for years. I would start with the radical leaders in the mosque. Thats where it starts and will end.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:49 pm to genro
My friend then we are on the same page. Let's go have a beer
I think I'm just more open to other theories and more anti federal government than you. Nothing wrong with it either way. I just don't want the majority of this country to think daddy government is the answer and we are helpless without his safety net.
I think I'm just more open to other theories and more anti federal government than you. Nothing wrong with it either way. I just don't want the majority of this country to think daddy government is the answer and we are helpless without his safety net.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:06 pm to WhoDatGreenBeret
quote:Yes, we don't just lash out. We actually do deliberate before we respond. Are all of our responses wise? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the decisions were made without reasonable consideration. There will be unintended consequences for every action. Some are more foreseeable than others, and all become obvious in hindsight.
You think we respond to catastrophes rationally?
Is it a coincidence that the conspiracies TxTiger has identified have had no unintended consequences to make them unsuccessful? The conspirators have been able to predict with enough accuracy the responses of the targets and all other parties to prevent the conspiracies from failing. That comes from being able to use hindsight to construct a plausible conspiracy rather than from any real conspiracies of the magnitude he is suggesting.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:11 pm to LSURussian
quote:
What should be your response?
I don't think any answer to this question, if even a "great strategy" was offered, applies.
The president has access to information, allies, experts and resources most on this board aren't even aware exist. No one here can offer a meaningful answer to your question but we all should expect that our president can.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:45 pm to TX Tiger
I know one American who should get back on his Haldol.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:56 pm to TX Tiger
First off, even if the terrorism was sponsored by some shadowy group, it wouldn't make it any less real to those being killed or tortured by them.
Secondly, if these shadowy groups are so clandestine, what possible recourse would we have and how could they be found and dealt with?
Secondly, if these shadowy groups are so clandestine, what possible recourse would we have and how could they be found and dealt with?
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:25 pm to Poodlebrain
WE're with you. When do we start?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:26 pm to Revelator
quote:That is the question, isn't it.
if these shadowy groups are so clandestine, what possible recourse would we have and how could they be found and dealt with?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:29 pm to TX Tiger
Bring our Troops home.
Shut down the Federal Reserve.
Drill here.
Shut down the Federal Reserve.
Drill here.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:29 pm to WhoDatGreenBeret
quote:How could you? All you've been given is a pack of lies.
I don't have a theory
I'd have to consider anyone who thinks he knows what happened on 9/11 to be a conspiracy theory nutjob.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:31 pm to WhoDatGreenBeret
quote:
A conspiracy theory is defined as a proposed plot by powerful
people or organizations working together in secret to
accomplish some (usually sinister) goal (Coady, 2006; Douglas
& Sutton, 2008; Goertzel, 1994). Popular contemporary examples
include the theory that the 9/11 attacks were planned and
carried out by elements within the American government (Kay,
2011) and the belief that evidence of a causal link between
autism and childhood vaccination is being suppressed by an
unscrupulous medical industry (Goertzel, 2010). Conspiracy
theories are not by definition false
quote:
Spurred in part by the growth of new media, conspiracism
has become a major subcultural phenomenon. This shift has not
gone unnoticed in academia. In recent decades, there has been
an explosion of research into the psychology of belief in conspiracy
theories. Much of this research interest has focused
on the individual correlates of conspiracy belief, but perhaps
the most consistent finding in the work on the psychology of
conspiracy theories is that belief in a particular theory is
strongly predicted by belief in others—even ostensibly unrelated
ones
quote:
One proposed
explanation for this connection is that beliefs in conspiracy
theories somehow support one another (Goertzel, 1994).
Even though the perpetrators may be different in each case, the
fact that one massive, sinister conspiracy could be successfully
executed in near-perfect secrecy suggests that many such plots
are possible. Over time, the view of the world as a place ruled
by conspiracies can lead to conspiracy becoming the default
explanation for any given event—a unitary, closed-off worldview
in which beliefs come together in a mutually supportive
network known as a monological belief system
The science behind being a kook.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:40 pm to REG861
I keep wondering why The Powers That Be haven't had the OP rubbed out yet?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:40 pm to genro
quote:No, that's the strawman you're creating.
Was McCarthy actually a Russian Communist who created the Soviet Union in order to control Americans? That's the leap you're making.
quote:Are you saying that man doesn't seek dominance and control and in the case of the OP wouldn't use whatever resource he has to achieve it?
People may certainly see fear among the constituents, and may pounce for some measure of domestic control. To suggest this proves they are the source of the fear itself is not logical, much less definitive.
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