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re: Do blue collar guys think that they're inherently tough??
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:57 pm to stout
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:57 pm to stout
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Free/cheap or not there are still tons of useless degrees. It's to a point that most degrees are useless unless it's in a specialized field like nursing, engineer,etc.
The polar opposite of nobody going to college brings up a potentially dangerous proposition which is thousands of aimless young men with too much time on their hands. Recipe for disorder.
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Meanwhile the people in those trade schools are usually entering the job market 2-3 years before college grads and for more money starting out
And I'm the first one to champion them. You won't find me talking shite about blue collar workers or folks who went to trade school rather than a traditional 4-year college. There's no one formula that fits everyone.
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:58 pm to Rohan2Reed
But mistakes happen in college. Its not always lazy but sometimes kids that get little wild first time out from home. So losing tops is a really expensive lesson to learn and the debt comes in still.
Some people do fine and keep tops all the way through which is great. But 56% of students lose tops in their first year...so even going in they are more likely to end up with the debt being discussed
Some people do fine and keep tops all the way through which is great. But 56% of students lose tops in their first year...so even going in they are more likely to end up with the debt being discussed
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:01 pm to TxTiger82
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Sure, but do you want to tell your kid he or she can't be one?
no, but the end all be all of the job world is not becoming a ceo.
and like you said, becoming a ceo doesnt require a certain degree. probably more of a being in the right place at the right time.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:02 pm to fightingtiger2335
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But mistakes happen in college. Its not always lazy but sometimes kids that get little wild first time out from home. So losing tops is a really expensive lesson to learn and the debt comes in still.
Some people do fine and keep tops all the way through which is great. But 56% of students lose tops in their first year...so even going in they are more likely to end up with the debt being discussed
For sure. And going to trade school is not some magic fix-it-all that turns morons into productive responsible citizens.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:02 pm to TxTiger82
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Sure, but do you want to tell your kid he or she can't be one? Its a powerful idea, which drives most parents to encourage college.
But learning a trade can lead to owning the business. So telling them you can't a CEO but you can start your own business with your skills would be a way of notlimiting them
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:04 pm to fightingtiger2335
It's not even about encouraging everyone to go to college IMO. It's that there aren't enough votech options for high school students though there are tons of options to take college courses in high school.
The votech options are growing but it's taken a long time to happen and many kids still feel like they HAVE to go to college or will be failures.
The votech options are growing but it's taken a long time to happen and many kids still feel like they HAVE to go to college or will be failures.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:05 pm to Rohan2Reed
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You can't blame the system for failures of lazy individuals.
You absolutely can. How many of those students would have tried harder or just not taken the scholarship if they knew they had to pay it back if they did not complete their degree?
It's the same as welfare. Why take a job for $10 an hour when the gov't will give me benefits equal to $18 an hour
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:05 pm to Rohan2Reed
Where did I ever state that? Im not shitting on degrees? I went that route. Me saying that promotion of both options should be more prevalent instead of one way or you're a failure has nothing to do with turning people into responsible citizens. College doesnt work all that great for that either. Plenty do just enough to get their paper then wait around for people to flock to them and do nothing
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:06 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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You absolutely can. How many of those students would have tried harder or just not taken the scholarship if they knew they had to pay it back if they did not complete their degree?
It's the same as welfare. Why take a job for $10 an hour when the gov't will give me benefits equal to $18 an hour
My counter-point would be to blame the parents, not the education system / options.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:07 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Some people do fine and keep tops all the way through which is great. But 56% of students lose tops in their first year...so even going in they are more likely to end up with the debt being discussed
Sometimes you gotta try something to see if it's for you. If college isn't working out, learn a trade. If your trade isn't working out, go to school. Lots of 19 year olds don't know what they want to do later in life.
The highest median household income in Canada is is $190,000, in Fort McMurray, blue collar workers who work the oil sands.
Blue collar jobs that pay well do for a reason, there's not enough workers to fill the jobs, and the jobs are highly skilled. Also, I'm not sure why these people are looked down upon, these jobs (the ones that pay well) are highly skilled and require a lot of problem solving. A lot of skilled workers may not be highly educated but they aren't of low IQ.
There will probably be a shortage of these jobs in the next decade or so, and there will be plenty of opportunity if someone has the aptitude.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:07 pm to stout
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many kids still feel like they HAVE to go to college or will be failures.
and many think that getting the degree is all they need. Then get a shock when companies want experience because college does a poor job of actual job prep. In many cases
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:07 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Where did I ever state that? Im not shitting on degrees? I went that route. Me saying that promotion of both options should be more prevalent instead of one way or you're a failure has nothing to do with turning people into responsible citizens. College doesnt work all that great for that either. Plenty do just enough to get their paper then wait around for people to flock to them and do nothing
Definitely there's that element in universities across the country. The remedy should be for them to learn the cold truths of reality and educate their fellows about it.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:11 pm to Rohan2Reed
I would agree they are to blame too but to say the system has no fault is foolish 
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:11 pm to Ignignot
I work with plants. I am very tough. WANNAFIGHTABOUTIT
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:12 pm to stout
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It's not even about encouraging everyone to go to college IMO. It's that there aren't enough votech options for high school students though there are tons of options to take college courses in high school.
The votech options are growing but it's taken a long time to happen and many kids still feel like they HAVE to go to college or will be failures.
that is the problem with our education system. The C and D students are made to feel worthless/failures if they don't go to college. My private school allowed some of the C students to go to the local votech and take classes. More schools should do that.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:13 pm to HempHead
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I work with plants. I am very tough. WANNAFIGHTABOUTIT
Finally this is what I'm lookin for, your arse is mine
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:15 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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I would agree they are to blame too but to say the system has no fault is foolish
So are you of the opinion that high schools should start encouraging students to go to trade schools instead of universities? I really don't think there's a one-size-fits-all solution to this. I personally never had teachers pushing college on me while talking shite about blue-collar careers, even though that's how many proletarians would have you believe the world operates.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:16 pm to Ignignot
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Finally this is what I'm lookin for, your arse is mine
Get ready for a good ol' fashioned backwoods Bama BEATDOWN.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:20 pm to HempHead
DoeS that require my pants being on or off?
Gotta ask....I heard things ya know
Gotta ask....I heard things ya know
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:22 pm to Rohan2Reed
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So are you of the opinion that high schools should start encouraging students to go to trade schools instead of universities?
No but I don't think they should be pushing college or bust like they currently do
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