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re: EDIT: Israel duped again!
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:21 pm to trackfan
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:21 pm to trackfan
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I believe that I said that I am opposed to all theocrats whether they be Islamic (Hamas) or Jewish (Likud), but just because I oppose Hamas' theocratic agenda doesn't mean that they don't have some legitimate grievances against Israel.
I'm glad you responded reasonably.
What I find frustrating is that I can tell you are a very intelligent man, but you seem to have a blind spot for the bigger picture.
Hamas does not want peace. They don't care about peace. They want Israel out of the Middle East. They do not want a two state solution, no matter where the boundaries are drawn. They want Israelis out of Jerusalem.
But how can Hamas accomplish this? They can't take on Israel in a real military battle. They foment hate for Israel constantly and teach it to their children. Their only effective tool (for now) is to drum up international support. They do this by provoking Israel into attacking them. Then parade the "victims" for a show and tell, regardless of the truth. They believe and teach their children that death in fighting the Israelis is the only honorable way to go.
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:07 pm to Iosh
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They're just neoconservative-style chauvinists without an ounce of foresight who think they can manipulate the theocrats in their coalition and end up getting wagged
The hard-line religious parties (Shas and United Torah Judaism) aren't in their coalition this time. They were not invited to join.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:12 pm to darkhorse
Hamas will fire rockets in 36 hours and those dirty jews will kill hundreds of innocent freedom fighters.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:14 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:This is only true if you look at their original charter, in which case it's equally true of Likud.
Hamas does not want peace. They don't care about peace. They want Israel out of the Middle East. They do not want a two state solution, no matter where the boundaries are drawn.
The famous Palestinian "HAMAS MAJORITY" of 2006 was preceded by Hamas dropping the eliminationist plank from their election manifesto. LINK
And they have, multiple times since then, publicly acknowledged a willingness to accept the 1967 borders. LINK LINK
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:25 pm to Quidam65
quote:HBHY is definitely a hard-line religious party:
The hard-line religious parties (Shas and United Torah Judaism) aren't in their coalition this time. They were not invited to join.
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As the descendant of the National Religious Party, the Jewish Home is willing to cooperate with secular Israelis in governing the state, but it has not forgone its objective of creating a polity governed by Jewish law. The party's members adhere to the belief that Jews are divinely commanded to retain control over the Land of Israel.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:33 pm to Jimbeaux
Jimbeaux neither side wants peace in this lifetime. Peace for Israel means no sympathy and no tolerance for expanding settlements in Palistinian territory, as well as less people and countries sending cash to support the cause. Peace will also force the government to be more accountable for the welfare of the displaced Pals. For Hamas peace means no more donations and sympathy from the muslim world and having to fend for themselves. Actually having to govern is more than these shitheads can accomplish. Peace is the worst nightmare of both of these groups. The truly sad part is the hardliners on both sides are miles away from the figjting and dying while innocents on both sides are in harms way.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:48 pm to Iosh
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Likud aren't theocrats. They're just neoconservative-style chauvinists without an ounce of foresight
So Likud is basically Tea Party?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 2:34 am to Jagd Tiger
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egypt wants a time out to re-enforce the tunnels..
wut
Posted on 8/1/14 at 4:09 am to beachreb61
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So Likud is basically Tea Party?
No, shut up.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:56 am to Vols&Shaft83
Well... it lasted 2 hours before Hamas attacked and captured a soldier.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:13 am to teke184
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My money is on the ceasefire lasting less than an hou
dude.... that was right on.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 1:26 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Posted by Vols&Shaft83 on 8/1 at 4:09 am to beachreb61 quote: So Likud is basically Tea Party? No, shut up. Reply • Options • Back to Top
So shut up is the basic Tea Party response?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 6:38 am to asurob1
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Oh they won't.
Then we will hear how evil Israel is being again responding to attacks.
Hamas supporters on this board are the type to blame you for punching a mugger in the face for stealing your wallet.
dammit asurob - I agree with you!!!!!!!
have an up vote
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:04 pm to darkhorse
Seems pretty obvious to everyone, the BHO administration and the UN are no friend of Israel and Red State Americans.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 2:24 pm to Duke
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Who are those people?
I see a lot of Palestinian sympathy. I've seen people critical of Israel. I haven't seen many singing the praises of Hamas.
PSA: You can be critical of Israel and think Hamas are despicable.
Trackfan Burt Reynolds a few others.
If you haven't seen it its because you aren't looking
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