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re: St George organizers fail to get enough signatures for Nov vote
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:32 am to Choupique19
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:32 am to Choupique19
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I don't know if it will pass, but just let the people vote already.
If you believe Mary Olive (kip's spokesperson) we won't be voting on the petition anytime soon. The city plans to stop a vote even if they get the required sigs.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:51 am to dewster
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Which election is going to bring out the voters most likely to support St George incorporation? They'll get the signatures in time for that deadline if they don't already have them now.
You've got it backwards. The SG election will cause a high voter turnout in SG, no matter what. What to look for is how that impacts other local elections.
If it is projected that Claitor and Graves will be in a run- off then the SG election would help whichever candidate is favored by the SG area.
If Claitor polls better in SG then the Jindal's people will instruct Rainey to wait until next year. I don't want to even think about a scenario in which Edwards becomes a serious threat. It's hard to wrap my head around that.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:02 am to Asgard Device
Is Dietzel out of it???
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:27 am to doubleb
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Mary Olive (kip's spokesperson) we won't be voting on the petition anytime soon
I'd love to know the legal basis for that challenge.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:41 am to doubleb
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If you believe Mary Olive (kip's spokesperson) we won't be voting on the petition anytime soon. The city plans to stop a vote even if they get the required sigs.
This is why SG turns so many people off. You're making shite up and spreading falsehoods to create the illusion that you are victims.
Mary Olive is not Kip Holden's spokesperson. She is a prominent lawyer who was hired to represent the city in defending itself against Woody Jenkins' law suit.
When did she say the city would stop a vote? Do you have a link or a source? Or, have you joined sprocket/DY in resorting to libel?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:03 pm to Asgard Device
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This is why SG turns so many people off. You're making shite up and spreading falsehoods to create the illusion that you are victims
Challenge accepted.
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But Mary Olive Pierson, an attorney hired by the Mayor’s Office to handle annexation and St. George litigation, predicted that any election date could be postponed, saying the city-parish will file a lawsuit challenging the petition as soon as it’s filed.
“I can assure you there are going to be challenges to the petition which will have to be dealt with in the courthouse before they get to the voting booth,” she said. “I’ve never had much confidence in their predictions for a timeline for an election.”
LINK
Now you may not think its news or worthy of being posted here, but the Advocate did put this on their front page this morning.
Now we can argue about whether or not she is a "spokesperson" but everything I posted was true.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:06 pm to Asgard Device
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This is why SG turns so many people off. You're making shite up and spreading falsehoods to create the illusion that you are victims.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:12 pm to Rickety Cricket
You must not read the paper either.
Front page news!
ETA paragraph from NOLA.com
That too is from a column written TODAY.
LINK
If you guys don't think the city is rolling out their big guns to stop a vote think again. Mary olive is getting paid 175 bucks an hour up to $17,500.00 to represent the city and was hire by the Mayor's Office. The same Mayor who represents the entire parish is going to use legal means to stop a vote.
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You can't make this stuff up fellas.
Front page news!
ETA paragraph from NOLA.com
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Attorney Mary Olive Pierson, who is representing the city-parish in a lawsuit over the recent annexation of the Mall of Louisiana and other properties, also told the newspaper that the city-parish will sue as soon as the petition is filed -- something St. George organizers have been expecting. That might further delay an election.
That too is from a column written TODAY.
LINK
If you guys don't think the city is rolling out their big guns to stop a vote think again. Mary olive is getting paid 175 bucks an hour up to $17,500.00 to represent the city and was hire by the Mayor's Office. The same Mayor who represents the entire parish is going to use legal means to stop a vote.
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According to the contract, Baton Rouge attorney Mary Olive Pierson will be paid $175 per hour, for a total of $17,500 for the calendar year — which is the threshold for a contract that does not require approval from the Metro Council
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You can't make this stuff up fellas.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:17 pm to doubleb
Interesting.. and well played, sir. I actually like your posts in other topics so I probably shouldn't lump you in with sprocket and some of the mouth breathers that post on here.
I do think the petition should be challenged if legit technical reasons exist but I don't think they should block it just for the sake of blocking it. I was told by somebody from Kips camp that they don't think all the signatures are legit but if the people wanted it then they would only seek to protect the taxes that are used to serve the entire parish and their bonds. Basically not letting SG get off with getting infrastructure that will be paid for by the rest of the parish.
We shall see. I'm about to have less skin in the game when my parents sell their rental off Coursey blvd.
I do think the petition should be challenged if legit technical reasons exist but I don't think they should block it just for the sake of blocking it. I was told by somebody from Kips camp that they don't think all the signatures are legit but if the people wanted it then they would only seek to protect the taxes that are used to serve the entire parish and their bonds. Basically not letting SG get off with getting infrastructure that will be paid for by the rest of the parish.
We shall see. I'm about to have less skin in the game when my parents sell their rental off Coursey blvd.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:21 pm to Asgard Device
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Interesting.. and well played, sir. I actually like your posts in other topics so I probably shouldn't lump you in with sprocket and some of the mouth breathers that post on here. I do think the petition should be challenged if legit technical reasons exist but I don't think they should block it just for the sake of blocking it. I was told by somebody from Kips camp that they don't think all the signatures are legit but if the people wanted it then they would only seek to protect the taxes that are used to serve the entire parish and their bonds. Basically not letting SG get off with getting infrastructure that will be paid for by the rest of the parish. We shall see. I'm about to have less skin in the game when my parents sell their rental off Coursey blvd.
Apology accepted.
I posted what I thought was timely information.
We can agree to disagree on issues, and I'm cool with that.
I do feel the law should be followed, but I don't like my tax money being used to block a genuine grassroots effort and a vote of the people.
And by all means all the sigs need to be verified. I have no problem with that. That's the American way. Protect the right of one man to have one vote.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:11 pm to LSURussian
Still blows my mind how anyone can be against people wanting better schools for their kids.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:27 pm to ragacamps
Incorporation has nothing to do with
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people wanting better schools for their kids.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:33 pm to Asgard Device
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Incorporation has nothing to do with
It should not, but it became an "excuse" not to vote in the ISD.
It's a means to an end, or so the story goes.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:35 pm to Asgard Device
As a stand alone issue, I would agree. However the SEBR school district was twice shot down in the legislature, and we were told to "form a city" first. So, for the St.George issue, incorporation has everything to do with schools. But, you already knew that.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:40 pm to Sprocket46
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were were told to "form a city" first.
No you weren't. St. George organizers came up with that because it was the end goal all along. The only person with any sort of clout that has ever said that you have to form a city first is your very own Bodi White. Now that deseg is over, there's no legal requirement to have a city in order to form a school district. It has zero tactical advantage. None.
In fact, I predict that the SG politicians seek to grab some of the better/whiter parts of the parish that are within the city of Baton Rouge if or when they try to form a new school district. Not that it would ever pass a parish-wide vote. The way you (sprocket) have run this incorporation campaign has all but ensured that the parents will not get a school district.
You guys will get your city contracts, though.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:40 pm to doubleb
1. The only thing driving the SG incorp
movement IS creating a new school district. That is key to any other reason for incorporation.
2. SG will have more than enough signatures soon and maybe 19K before the October deadline to make the December ballot.
3. If we get to vote in December on SG, it will pass. City defenders know that which is why their only hope is to keep it from ever coming to a vote.
movement IS creating a new school district. That is key to any other reason for incorporation.
2. SG will have more than enough signatures soon and maybe 19K before the October deadline to make the December ballot.
3. If we get to vote in December on SG, it will pass. City defenders know that which is why their only hope is to keep it from ever coming to a vote.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:41 pm to Asgard Device
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probably shouldn't lump you in with sprocket and some of the mouth breathers that post on here
You can disagree with my posts, call me names, hate st.george,whatever. It doesn't change the facts. You can't possibly insult my posts on the issue, however, without chastising your compatriots in opposition.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 2:01 pm to Sprocket46
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You can disagree with my posts, call me names, hate st.george,whatever. It doesn't change the facts. You can't possibly insult my posts on the issue, however, without chastising your compatriots in opposition.
I think people on both sides (me included) have lost "it" on occasion and posted things they should not have.
But I do think some do things on purpose to stir the pot, and I think some have been caught ginning up stats to prove their points.
But we need to get away from all that. The issue is too important, and people should stick to the facts.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 2:16 pm to doubleb
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I think people on both sides (me included) have lost "it" on occasion and posted things they should not have.
We've all been pissed at one point or another, but there are a few people who routinely spread misinformation and call opponents names when called out on it. Its certainly an issue that people are passionate about, either for or against.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 2:17 pm to Asgard Device
Are you seriously saying that we weren't dismissed from the legislature because we weren't a city? I've never heard ANYONE question that.
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