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re: MLB Trade Deadline Deals and Rumors:
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:58 pm to papz
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:58 pm to papz
He is worth elite prospects....
Dodgers giving up Lee + either one of their MLb OF (and eating salary) or giving up 1 other premium prospect. Doubt he could garner 3 elite prospects and a MLB player though
Dodgers giving up Lee + either one of their MLb OF (and eating salary) or giving up 1 other premium prospect. Doubt he could garner 3 elite prospects and a MLB player though
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:04 pm to tduecen
Lee's not an elite prospect anymore. If they were to give up Beltre and take on Either or Kemp along with it, the Dodgers would have to give up even more compensation. Beltre should be able to net a blue chipper and a 2nd really good prospect(with the typical fillers on the back end)... add in Kemp or Either, you're looking at 3 A/B prospects.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:10 pm to papz
In a deal to LA, you think Beltre will fetch Kemp or Either, Seager or Pederson, and a 2nd really good prospect?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:12 pm to papz
Lee ranked #4 prospect for the Dodgers.... That is elite IMO
He is Triple A at 22 which still rather young and having issues which helps him lose some luster but he is still a #2/3 pitcher IMO.....
He is Triple A at 22 which still rather young and having issues which helps him lose some luster but he is still a #2/3 pitcher IMO.....
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:26 pm to tduecen
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In a deal to LA, you think Beltre will fetch Kemp or Either, Seager or Pederson, and a 2nd really good prospect?
If they have to take on Either or Kemp's contract, yes.
If they didn't have to take on either contract, he should still be able to net one of those 2 players and another B prospect.
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Lee ranked #4 prospect for the Dodgers.... That is elite IMO
He is Triple A at 22 which still rather young and having issues which helps him lose some luster but he is still a #2/3 pitcher IMO.....
He was drafted to be one but he hasn't pitched that way. I certainly hope he can turn it around, but I don't consider him a blue chip prospect anymore.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:37 pm to papz
He is someone who could possibly contribute as early as next year though..... Rough year this year but he hasn't been Mark Appel either... He still has a great deal of value
Rangers need pitching that is obvious and a 3B is they dealt Beltre. So Lee, Anderson/Withrow/Reed/Garcia, Dodgers paying 75% of a Either/Kemp contract or including another prospect maybe one ranked 20-30 should be enough
Rangers need pitching that is obvious and a 3B is they dealt Beltre. So Lee, Anderson/Withrow/Reed/Garcia, Dodgers paying 75% of a Either/Kemp contract or including another prospect maybe one ranked 20-30 should be enough
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:41 pm to tduecen
Let's just say I'm being a bit optimistic, but that package is eww man.
If none of Pederson, Seager, or Urias is involved, I can't envision anything happening.
If none of Pederson, Seager, or Urias is involved, I can't envision anything happening.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:42 pm to papz
I don't think the Dodgers trade Kemp as a salary dump... they will find an suitor who they can sell Kemp off to as an asset. Of course the contract comes into play, so I could see them tossing in a Zach Lee to lighten that blow.
If they trade Ethier, the Dodgers will probably just agree to absorb the majority of that money.
Either way, I don't see them moving Kemp/Ethier and Seager or Pederson for a few years of an aging Beltre. I think to trade them, they need a younger guy who they can control for a few years. Pederson is a wild card since their OF is so crowded. They could deal him and a throw in possibly. Dodgers are always in win now, so i could see that.
As it stands, they think Seager will move to 3B and won't take long to get up to the bigs. I think we may see Alex Guerrero come up and be their 3B for the immediate future until Seager is ready.
ETA: And I agree, Lee is not a top prospect. I don't even know how he's in AAA. Dodgers paid him huge money and promoted him without him showing shite
If they trade Ethier, the Dodgers will probably just agree to absorb the majority of that money.
Either way, I don't see them moving Kemp/Ethier and Seager or Pederson for a few years of an aging Beltre. I think to trade them, they need a younger guy who they can control for a few years. Pederson is a wild card since their OF is so crowded. They could deal him and a throw in possibly. Dodgers are always in win now, so i could see that.
As it stands, they think Seager will move to 3B and won't take long to get up to the bigs. I think we may see Alex Guerrero come up and be their 3B for the immediate future until Seager is ready.
ETA: And I agree, Lee is not a top prospect. I don't even know how he's in AAA. Dodgers paid him huge money and promoted him without him showing shite
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:43 pm to papz
quote:He could likely garner one of Seager/Peterson and another B/B- prospect, but I don't think he's hauling Seager, 2 more top prospects, and Kemp. Kemp isn't a Ryan Howard albatross.
Beltre should be able to net a blue chipper and a 2nd really good prospect(with the typical fillers on the back end)... add in Kemp or Either, you're looking at 3 A/B prospects.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:47 pm to GynoSandberg
3.22 ERA in double A as a 21 year old, 131 strikeouts in 142.2 innings.... I see how they promoted him
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:50 pm to tduecen
I can see Lee headlined in a deal for a reliever like Papelbon... but not a player of Beltre's caliber.
Beltre's age certainly plays a factor... but I don't think it's as big as it's made out to be. It would be different if he were showing signs of decline... but he's not. I feel he still holds premium value which we will agree to disagree.
Beltre's age certainly plays a factor... but I don't think it's as big as it's made out to be. It would be different if he were showing signs of decline... but he's not. I feel he still holds premium value which we will agree to disagree.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:56 pm to tduecen
And he was bad the two years prior in A and AA.
Decent numbers, but "pedestrian" for a player of his billing. He was expected to dominate the lower levels. As it stands, he has a 4 ERA, 1.3 whip, and what would be a below MLB league average k/9 in almost 500 MiLB innings.
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3.22 ERA in double A as a 21 year old, 131 strikeouts in 142.2 innings
Decent numbers, but "pedestrian" for a player of his billing. He was expected to dominate the lower levels. As it stands, he has a 4 ERA, 1.3 whip, and what would be a below MLB league average k/9 in almost 500 MiLB innings.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:04 pm to papz
I do think Beltre can bring a nice haul. I just don't think the dodgers would trade any of their big 3 for him.
I could see a team like the Yankees being in play. They do not mind throwing around prospects. Even though they don't have that big name, they could send a few to Texas, which would probably be a better deal for the Rangers anyway.Two or three of something like Sanchez, Severino, O'Brien, Ramirez, Montgomery, maybe Banuelos if people still value him.
I could see a team like the Yankees being in play. They do not mind throwing around prospects. Even though they don't have that big name, they could send a few to Texas, which would probably be a better deal for the Rangers anyway.Two or three of something like Sanchez, Severino, O'Brien, Ramirez, Montgomery, maybe Banuelos if people still value him.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:23 pm to GynoSandberg
Well at least we can find some common ground as you can see Pederson being the headline in a deal... same with Lou.
I find that Severino/O'Brien package pretty intriguing. They'd have to be pretty confident O'Brien's hits enough that his power translates at the MLB given he's not going to remain a catcher... and the Rangers have a ton of high ceiling 5 tool types making their way to Double A soon. He could turn out to be another Arencibia.
I find that Severino/O'Brien package pretty intriguing. They'd have to be pretty confident O'Brien's hits enough that his power translates at the MLB given he's not going to remain a catcher... and the Rangers have a ton of high ceiling 5 tool types making their way to Double A soon. He could turn out to be another Arencibia.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:32 pm to tduecen
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Rangers need pitching that is obvious and a 3B is they dealt Beltre
The nice thing about not trading Beltre is that the end of his contract coincides with the supposed promotion plan of Gallo to the majors. I think that's another reason they do not want to trade him so they don't have to waste money on a stop-gap 3B.
Like I said before, the Rangers are asking for a lot because they do not want to trade him. What they are hoping is that some team grossly overpays for him, otherwise they want to see him in a Rangers uniform next year.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:37 pm to papz
quote:I never insinuated they wouldn't get a headline prospect.
Well at least we can find some common ground as you can see Pederson being the headline in a deal... same with Lou.
3 A/B prospects & Kemp is a Teix deal package though
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:43 pm to Louie T
Maybe I should have been more specific rather than lump you two together. We are much closer in view.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:34 pm to papz
A lot of this is speculation since Daniels has said he won't trade Beltre even though he and Elvis will bring in the best haul of prospects
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:16 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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You mean, like how the Rangers still have a top 10 farm system
You mean the system that can't send ANYONE up who can pitch? When you HAVE to throw Colby Lewis for 11 runs given up because NO ONE can start?
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