re: Hulk from Avengers

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I am talking about the final battle against the guy with the rod that caused him to frick up all the good guys. Why would they want him there, and why would he think that it is a good idea?

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Yeah this is completely unclear since the final battle is more with the Chitauri forces than it is with Loki. It's not a battle with the guy with the rod.

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You said something about the rod not being able to mess with them anymore, since they became aware of it (an assumption, BTW), unless someone was in control of the rod.

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I also said yeah the movie did do a bad job of communicating it. That doesn't make it convenient you just had to pay attention.

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They are weary about bringing Banner on, for obvious reasons, but they need his expertise, so they do so.

Their concerns come to fruition when he almost kills them all on the ship, because of the rod.

Yet still... Banner and the rest of the good guys all think it's a good idea for him to join the final fight...... Against the guy with the rod that brought out the "bad" Hulk.

Why would they think it is a good idea to bring him on for the final fight?

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Well 1) Cap tells Hulk to smash, specifically not to go after the rod or Loki. 2) Hulk is in control, sure there's no dialog denoting it, but Banner gives a smirk and changes on purpose. There's a difference, always has been, with Hulk. Banner controlling Hulk means he won't just randomly smash stuff. And the Rod is nowhere near him when he changes in the end.

Again, using the film's information, when Banner changes on the Helicarrier he starts pounding the ground trying to stop it. He's yelling and struggling. He clearly doesn't want to change, he's trying to keep Hulk in. While in the streets, he smirks turns very deliberately and punches the giant beast. This is to show the audience the two sides of Banners character 1) When he isn't in control 2) When he is.

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Ok are you just unhappy they didn't address it in dialog. Like something earlier in the film:

Banner: Yeah don't worry about the other guy, I'm in control. As long as I control when Hulk comes out, I'll be ok.

Or later in the film in NYC:
Cap: Are you serious Banner, you just tried to kill us all.
Banner: I'm.....sorry?
Stark: Sorry doesn't cut it.
Banner: You know that thing did something to all of us.
Cap: But none of us can topple a building.
Thor: Well, I can.
Stark: Just make sure it isn't one I own.
Cap: Anyway, Banner, I think it'd be best if you go.
Banner: I can help and honestly, we know what that thing can do. Unless Loki quiets me down to touch my chest slowly, which won't happen, or I'm around the rod too long as Banner, I'll be fine. It won't get to me.
Cap: If it does, just make sure to smash them.

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