You are correct, sir, only it's "the market" not "the free market" because the current market conditions are far from free. It would be "free" (or at least "free-er") if there was no welfare state and no minimum wage laws. You can have a welfare state with closed borders, or no welfare state with open borders. You can't have both.

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Posted by SpidermanTUba

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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:02 pm to kingbob

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You are correct, sir, only it's "the market" not "the free market" because the current market conditions are far from free.

you're right.

the "free market" cannot exist in reality.

its a model used by economists to simplify theory.

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Posted by lsu13lsu

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Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:22 pm to kingbob

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You are correct, sir, only it's "the market" not "the free market" because the current market conditions are far from free. It would be "free" (or at least "free-er") if there was no welfare state and no minimum wage laws. You can have a welfare state with closed borders, or no welfare state with open borders. You can't have both.

Very true. I love the meme "we are a country of immigrants!"

We were a country of immigrants who came here to create an opportunity for themselves. Now it is an opportunity to be given one by the taxpayers.

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Posted by Volmanac

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Posted on 7/7/14 at 2:24 pm to kingbob

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You can have a welfare state with closed borders, or no welfare state with open borders. You can't have both.

This is 100 percent accurate. Unfortunately, many Free Republic/ Breitbart reading types seem to care much more about the big government option (the former) moreso than the small-government option (the latter).

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