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Zach Lowe Article on Asik Trade
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:05 pm
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Asik is a massive upgrade, a legit rim protector with good footwork against the pick-and-roll. He’s about to turn 28, so he fits the Demps model of acquiring young or mid-career veterans. Williams had New Orleans blitzing the pick-and-roll far from the basket last season, but he really prefers to blitz with his power forward (Davis) and have his center (Asik) hang closer to the rim. He can create that reality this season, and Asik’s top-flight rebounding will be a boon for a team that struggled on the glass.
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New Orleans will crow about getting Asik without surrendering Ryan Anderson, but getting a real center was always going to create a logjam up front. Neither Anderson nor Davis can play on the wing, though Williams tried it for tiny stretches early last season. There are 96 minutes among the big-man positions, and Davis needs to play at least 35 of them. That leaves about 30 apiece for Anderson and Asik, and we haven’t even introduced a fourth big man or allowed for the possibility of playing a bit of small ball.
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This isn’t a disaster. Asik tires under heavy minutes, leaving plenty of time for Williams to roll out the unguardable Anderson-Davis front line. It might be ideal to spot that duo minutes against opposing backups, since enemy offenses have absolutely torched the Davis-Anderson combo over the last two seasons, per NBA.com. Anderson also needs to prove he’s healthy after some scary injuries last season.
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he Pelicans will be better next season, but it’s not clear if this is a playoff team in the loaded West.
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But last season was basically a throwaway, and it’s unclear what role Evans might play this year. Unloading Eric Gordon’s bloated contract would free a starting spot for him, but the Pelicans no longer have a tradable future pick to attach to Gordon in trade talks.
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The team may also need to retain Asik after next season, when he’ll be a free agent, and re-signing him at market value would vaporize most of their projected cap room.
But this team isn’t about cap room. It’s about winning now, with players in their mid-twenties. And there may be other moves coming down the pike. But it’s unclear how much winning these guys can really do, and the risk of falling short and surrendering another lottery pick is borderline catastrophic.
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:12 pm to corndeaux
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But this team isn’t about cap room. It’s about winning now, with players in their mid-twenties. And there may be other moves coming down the pike. But it’s unclear how much winning these guys can really do, and the risk of falling short and surrendering another lottery pick is borderline catastrophic.
Don't get why people don't understand that the Pels don't care about draft picks for the next couple of years.
Dell & Monty know that this has to be the year they make the jump or they most likely won't be around next year.
You also have the clock ticking down towards the end of AD's contract. There isn't time to wait for young prospects to develop. Plus with how young Tyreke, Jrue & AD (most of the roster for that matter) are, it's not like they need an influx of young players.
This move might not work out long term, but in the moment, I think it was a no brainer. You get the perfect big to compliment AD.
If they can find a way to dump EG (I know, I'm not holding my breath) and find a decent 3 that can shoot, I think they're in business.
I don't know, I could be dead wrong. But bottomline is Dell & Monty know they have to show something this year, and the moves they've made show that
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:13 pm to corndeaux
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it’s unclear what role Evans might play this year. Unloading Eric Gordon’s bloated contract would free a starting spot for him
bullshite. Even if Gordon stays (*vomit*), Evans should start. You don't get to start simply because you are overpaid.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:17 pm to corndeaux
Lowe is right on top of it as usual. I just don't know what to think yet. I know Demps is still trying to put some moves together, but this almost seems like a repeat of last summer (picking up a overpaid solid starter and hoping for the 8th spot). It just seems like the hole is getting deeper..
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:17 pm to burdman
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Don't get why people don't understand that the Pels don't care about draft picks for the next couple of years.
Lowe gets it. He just doesn't necessarily approve the long term consequences. There is not a more knowledgable and impartial NBA observer around. Doesn't mean he's always right though.
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Dell & Monty know that this has to be the year they make the jump or they most likely won't be around next year
Which doesn't necessarily mean it's the right move for the organization's future.
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You also have the clock ticking down towards the end of AD's contract
Davis is here until the early 2020s. The clock is ticking to impress him and make him think the organization can build a winner around him. Jury is still out on that.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:18 pm to corndeaux
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but the Pelicans no longer have a tradable future pick to attach to Gordon in trade talks.
This should be an eye opener to...well everyone. We aren't trading Gordon for a first rounder and we aren't trading him for a decent player.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:19 pm to Suntiger
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This should be an eye opener to...well everyone. We aren't trading Gordon for a first rounder and we aren't trading him for a decent player.
Can we package him with cash in exchange for some Mallomars and cap space?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:20 pm to corndeaux
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Lowe gets it. He just doesn't necessarily approve the long term consequences. There is not a more knowledgable and impartial NBA observer around. Doesn't mean he's always right though.
I like Lowe, and no doubt he knows his stuff. I just disagree that trading a pick next year will be of real consequence.
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Which doesn't necessarily mean it's the right move for the organization's future.
They don't care about the future if they aren't part of it.
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Davis is here until the early 2020s
I really hope so.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:20 pm to corndeaux
Just another story from someone questioning how this team is built.
If you can move EG, we can afford Ryno in a true backup role. That would put Asik and AD as your starters and Ryno and one of the backup Centers to hit the floor against the other team's backups. Sounds OK to me.
If you can move EG, we can afford Ryno in a true backup role. That would put Asik and AD as your starters and Ryno and one of the backup Centers to hit the floor against the other team's backups. Sounds OK to me.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:20 pm to brmark70816
I like Asik. He's a very good player and a good fit.
I don't like the idea of the team giving up another lottery pick, which is very possible. I don't like the idea of trading Anderson, especially if his value is diminished due to injury. Dell likes to overpay for assets, I hope he doesn't like to sell low too.
One of the big 3 guards has to go.
I don't like the idea of the team giving up another lottery pick, which is very possible. I don't like the idea of trading Anderson, especially if his value is diminished due to injury. Dell likes to overpay for assets, I hope he doesn't like to sell low too.
One of the big 3 guards has to go.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:23 pm to burdman
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I just disagree that trading a pick next year will be of real consequence
For me the danger is being in this exact same spot again. I would like to get off the trading future assets merry go round please.
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They don't care about the future if they aren't part of it.
Again, why it might not be in the best interests of the franchise to make some of these moves. If they don't work, someone is picking up the pieces.
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I really hope so.
ATL has a thread explaining it. He will start a 5 year max contract 2016/17. He may push for a trade in year 3 or 4 if things are going poorly.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:24 pm to brmark70816
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picking up a overpaid solid starter and hoping for the 8th spot
Does Asik's entire salary count towards the cap? I thought only $8.5M counted?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:25 pm to adono
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I thought only $8.5M counted?
That's correct. He still gets paid $15m but Houston ponied up $1.5m in cash to help offset it.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:26 pm to adono
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Does Asik's entire salary count towards the cap? I thought only $8.5M counted?
Correct. They owe him another 7M off the cap sheet. He's paid about what he's worth, probably a little bit less given what he showed in Houston two years ago. Elite defender and rebounder.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:27 pm to adono
Only 8.3 counts towards
the other 7 mil comes out of bensons pocket
the other 7 mil comes out of bensons pocket
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:28 pm to corndeaux
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For me the danger is being in this exact same spot again. I would like to get off the trading future assets merry go round please.
I get this. And I agree. But this is the last time it will happen IMO. Because if the moves they make this year don't pan out, there will be new guys steering the ship and, I assume, the philosophy will change.
If the moves work, then we won't miss the pick next year and there will be no need to make any more deals with future picks.
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Again, why it might not be in the best interests of the franchise to make some of these moves. If they don't work, someone is picking up the pieces.
Once again I agree.
I'm just looking at it from Dell & Monty's perspective.
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ATL has a thread explaining it. He will start a 5 year max contract 2016/17.
Good to hear, need to go read it.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:28 pm to corndeaux
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I don't like the idea of the team giving up another lottery pick, which is very possible
I don't like the idea of giving up draft picks at all. Unless you getting a superstar in return. No team should be turning over more than 20-30% of the roster each season. Draft picks are cheap depth and essential to development IMO. You always need new blood and competition. Its hard to follow a team that doesn't embrace that philosophy...
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:29 pm to Suntiger
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We aren't trading Gordon for a first rounder and we aren't trading him for a decent player
Yeah. The Josh Smith deal to Sacramento featured Thompson and then Terry's corpse or Derek Williams.
Smith has a worse deal, but is a better player without injury/attitude issues. That is the market for Gordon.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:31 pm to brmark70816
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Lowe is right on top of it as usual. I just don't know what to think yet. I know Demps is still trying to put some moves together, but this almost seems like a repeat of last summer (picking up a overpaid solid starter and hoping for the 8th spot). It just seems like the hole is getting deeper..
What "hole"?
It's a mid-to late teens pick.
Asik is not "overpaid" for what he'll bring.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:32 pm to burdman
quote:The problem is that Demps seems to like to give away picks for "good" players.
I like Lowe, and no doubt he knows his stuff. I just disagree that trading a pick next year will be of real consequence.
Lottery picks are like gold in the NBA. If he could have held on to picks the past few seasons, they would have a lot of flexibility and could have built a seriously talented roster.
It seems like Demps just jumped on the first chances he got to get a good player and didn't care about the fit and now he's got a team that is set up to be "pretty good"... but at the expense of the future. I don't think they are in a position to really contend in the future. It all feels rushed.
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