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re: Outside of Leonard, what Freshman are you most excited to see?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:52 pm to tubucoco
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:52 pm to tubucoco
The passing attempts did tail off.... but theres something called game planning that might have had something to do with that....
The game plan in the UF game was to run the ball and dominate the TOP. They were on their 3rd string QB and just flat out had a crappy offense. But, their D was very good with some great DBs. And, IIRC, Jarvis was not at 100% for that game. We ran the ball, dominated possession and were in control that entire game.
And LSU vs Alabama is always about winning the battle up front. You gotta successfully run the ball and stop the run to win that game. And still threw the ball over 20times.
TAMU.... they have Johnny Manziel, a horrible D, and it was raining. Why would you wanna air it out and just give Johnny Manziel the football back with a lot of time on the clock? You dont wanna turn that into a score-fest against that man at QB. And it was raining. We ran the ball and kept it out of Manziels hands, which is what you need to do to beat them.
And, the reason I dont think we should run Auburns style of offense is because its NOT balanced, despite what people think, and its almost too fast that it hurts the D. They threw the ball 285times last year, and ran it 729times, which is 20pass attempts per game and 52 rushing attempts per game, which is 72% running the ball and 28% passing... not that balanced. LSU threw the ball 326times and ran it 523times, 25pass attempts per game and 40 rushing attempts per game, which is almost a 60/40 running to passing the ball ratio... Much more balanced. Plus, I dont want our pass 1st QB to run the ball 185times in a season in the SEC.
And when you have an offense that is so fast and uptempo, you dont have an advantage with TOP, which means your D stays on the field more. Which means the other team has more chances to score. Your D gets gassed because they are on the field so much and because the offense scores quickly. And when you D is gassed, the other teams O has an advantage.
I dont get why anybody would want to let Harris, whose best asset is his arm, to run the ball 185x a season when we have a great OL with some really good RBs on the team. Let the running backs do the running. Not saying we should never let Harris run, because I think he should get some designed plays.... but just some. Again, Harris is a true QB that has the athleticism to run but he is a pass 1st guy.
The game plan in the UF game was to run the ball and dominate the TOP. They were on their 3rd string QB and just flat out had a crappy offense. But, their D was very good with some great DBs. And, IIRC, Jarvis was not at 100% for that game. We ran the ball, dominated possession and were in control that entire game.
And LSU vs Alabama is always about winning the battle up front. You gotta successfully run the ball and stop the run to win that game. And still threw the ball over 20times.
TAMU.... they have Johnny Manziel, a horrible D, and it was raining. Why would you wanna air it out and just give Johnny Manziel the football back with a lot of time on the clock? You dont wanna turn that into a score-fest against that man at QB. And it was raining. We ran the ball and kept it out of Manziels hands, which is what you need to do to beat them.
And, the reason I dont think we should run Auburns style of offense is because its NOT balanced, despite what people think, and its almost too fast that it hurts the D. They threw the ball 285times last year, and ran it 729times, which is 20pass attempts per game and 52 rushing attempts per game, which is 72% running the ball and 28% passing... not that balanced. LSU threw the ball 326times and ran it 523times, 25pass attempts per game and 40 rushing attempts per game, which is almost a 60/40 running to passing the ball ratio... Much more balanced. Plus, I dont want our pass 1st QB to run the ball 185times in a season in the SEC.
And when you have an offense that is so fast and uptempo, you dont have an advantage with TOP, which means your D stays on the field more. Which means the other team has more chances to score. Your D gets gassed because they are on the field so much and because the offense scores quickly. And when you D is gassed, the other teams O has an advantage.
quote:I just disagree with that statement. Again, he is a gifted athlete... but hes a true pass 1st type of QB. And he can still use his legs in our offense as well. Roll outs, scrambling, improvising, etc. Wilson and the Seahawks dont run that style of offense, yet he still makes big plays using his legs... Just because he has the ability to run at the QB position doesnt mean we should completely change our offensive philosophy and run something that Miles, Cameron, etc have no experience running.
He can kill teams passing and running. And to do that you need to use that type of offense.
I dont get why anybody would want to let Harris, whose best asset is his arm, to run the ball 185x a season when we have a great OL with some really good RBs on the team. Let the running backs do the running. Not saying we should never let Harris run, because I think he should get some designed plays.... but just some. Again, Harris is a true QB that has the athleticism to run but he is a pass 1st guy.
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 4:05 pm to KG5989
And, this team has been built to fit the style of offense Cameron runs... which is a power running game with a vertical passing attack.
Im sure LF is more than capable of playing RB in an Auburn style offense, but he is a better fit for a true power running game and not a spread running attack. As is Hilliard. Magee is probably the 1 RB that fits best in the spread running game, but thats pretty much it. Our RBs are a better fit to the power running game.
We just had a great recruiting class with studs at the RB and WR position... this team is not built to switch up its entire offensive game plan and philosophy just because we have a QB that can run... even though hes a pass 1st QB. We signed Dupre and Quinn, the top WR in the nation and another top 10 WR in the nation. Their skills and talents and strengths would almost go to waste in the Auburn style offense. Those WRs are playmakers and are better fit to the vertical passing game.
Point is, we arent built to make that switch.
Im sure LF is more than capable of playing RB in an Auburn style offense, but he is a better fit for a true power running game and not a spread running attack. As is Hilliard. Magee is probably the 1 RB that fits best in the spread running game, but thats pretty much it. Our RBs are a better fit to the power running game.
We just had a great recruiting class with studs at the RB and WR position... this team is not built to switch up its entire offensive game plan and philosophy just because we have a QB that can run... even though hes a pass 1st QB. We signed Dupre and Quinn, the top WR in the nation and another top 10 WR in the nation. Their skills and talents and strengths would almost go to waste in the Auburn style offense. Those WRs are playmakers and are better fit to the vertical passing game.
Point is, we arent built to make that switch.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 4:21 pm to KG5989
Listen we can argue about this til we are blue in the face, but I don't agree with your assessment either. Harris is not some kid who can only do one thing well. The fact is he can do both pass and run well which is why he threw for over 3,000 yards and ran for over 1,000 yards in HS. Cam Cameron is a very experienced coordinator that is familiar with a lot of offensive philosophies. He did a lot of college coaching running different types of offenses before he went to the NFL.
you make it sound as if Harris is just a passer. that's not true! If you give him a lil room he can take it to the house. shite, Jennings is more of a pocket passer than him, but Jennings still can't pass or throw the ball as well as Harris. Harris is an athlete that probably not this season because of experience is capable of winning a Heismann for LSU because he has that kind of abilty.
And you gave game by game analysis of games played the second half of last season by LSU when their offensive philosophy changed, but I didn't need that. I already knew the TAMU game was more suited for running because of the conditions. But my point was the offense changed the second half of the season because the play callin was different. You could tell Miles wanted to go back to running more like they are accustomed to and Cameron obliged him because Cameron wasn't power running like that early on. That's Miles' game, but I saw nothing wrong with what Cameron was doing early on in the season. The ball was being thrown around really good by Mettenberger who had gotten into a groove with Beckham and Landry. There was no need to change against Fla because they could have thrown on them to, but it is what it is. Missouri with a backup QB threw all over Fla after they played LSU.
And you mentioned Seattle and Russell Wilson. I don't expect them to run offenses like that in the pros because it's the pros. But in college ball, yeah, everything pretty much goes. Whatever works. But truth be told I don't expect them to run a offense like that because of who Miles is. he believes in that 3 yards cloud of dust pound it out offense. But with weapons like you just mentioned they recruited and brought in. You would like to see an explosive offense utilize all that talent.
you make it sound as if Harris is just a passer. that's not true! If you give him a lil room he can take it to the house. shite, Jennings is more of a pocket passer than him, but Jennings still can't pass or throw the ball as well as Harris. Harris is an athlete that probably not this season because of experience is capable of winning a Heismann for LSU because he has that kind of abilty.
And you gave game by game analysis of games played the second half of last season by LSU when their offensive philosophy changed, but I didn't need that. I already knew the TAMU game was more suited for running because of the conditions. But my point was the offense changed the second half of the season because the play callin was different. You could tell Miles wanted to go back to running more like they are accustomed to and Cameron obliged him because Cameron wasn't power running like that early on. That's Miles' game, but I saw nothing wrong with what Cameron was doing early on in the season. The ball was being thrown around really good by Mettenberger who had gotten into a groove with Beckham and Landry. There was no need to change against Fla because they could have thrown on them to, but it is what it is. Missouri with a backup QB threw all over Fla after they played LSU.
And you mentioned Seattle and Russell Wilson. I don't expect them to run offenses like that in the pros because it's the pros. But in college ball, yeah, everything pretty much goes. Whatever works. But truth be told I don't expect them to run a offense like that because of who Miles is. he believes in that 3 yards cloud of dust pound it out offense. But with weapons like you just mentioned they recruited and brought in. You would like to see an explosive offense utilize all that talent.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 4:57 pm to KG5989
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The game plan in the UF game was to run the ball and dominate the TOP. They were on their 3rd string QB and just flat out had a crappy offense. But, their D was very good with some great DBs. And, IIRC, Jarvis was not at 100% for that game. We ran the ball, dominated possession and were in control that entire game.
Yeah, the Offense set a physical tone in that game. Big Dillon Gordon was getting after Ronald Powell (Saints' 5th Round Pick).
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And, the reason I dont think we should run Auburns style of offense is because its NOT balanced, despite what people think, and its almost too fast that it hurts the D. They threw the ball 285times last year, and ran it 729times, which is 20pass attempts per game and 52 rushing attempts per game, which is 72% running the ball and 28% passing... not that balanced. LSU threw the ball 326times and ran it 523times, 25pass attempts per game and 40 rushing attempts per game, which is almost a 60/40 running to passing the ball ratio... Much more balanced. Plus, I dont want our pass 1st QB to run the ball 185times in a season in the SEC. And when you have an offense that is so fast and uptempo, you dont have an advantage with TOP, which means your D stays on the field more. Which means the other team has more chances to score. Your D gets gassed because they are on the field so much and because the offense scores quickly. And when you D is gassed, the other teams O has an advantage.
I agree. The one aspect of Auburn's running game that I would like to see more of in LSU's running game is deception/misdirection-type plays run off of the base of the power running game. But when it comes to pace, I'm in agreement with Saban, Bielema, et al.
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I just disagree with that statement. Again, he is a gifted athlete... but hes a true pass 1st type of QB. And he can still use his legs in our offense as well. Roll outs, scrambling, improvising, etc. Wilson and the Seahawks dont run that style of offense, yet he still makes big plays using his legs... Just because he has the ability to run at the QB position doesnt mean we should completely change our offensive philosophy and run something that Miles, Cameron, etc have no experience running. I dont get why anybody would want to let Harris, whose best asset is his arm, to run the ball 185x a season when we have a great OL with some really good RBs on the team. Let the running backs do the running. Not saying we should never let Harris run, because I think he should get some designed plays.... but just some. Again, Harris is a true QB that has the athleticism to run but he is a pass 1st guy.
From what I've seen of Harris, I agree here as well, with my only real question being his accuracy, but we have a discrepancy of 10% in this thread on his Sr. year completion percentage depending on where the numbers come from. Do you have a take on his accuracy/completion percentage?
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 5:28 pm
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