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re: Is one major cause of wealth disparity a poor rate of return on social security?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:21 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:21 pm to Taxing Authority
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I'm old enough to remember the mid 70s.
As am I.
quote:
I see the argument that we aren't generally much wealthier as unsupportable.
That's not the argument. The argument is increasing disparity.
It doesn't matter if the lower classes are increasing in wealth, staying the same or decreasing in wealth. The point is that the disparity, that is the increase in wealth for the wealthy and the lower classes comparatively.
I still say that the working class's income hasn't increased at the same rate as the wealthier classes (whether it's stagnant or increasing is academic). That is the reason for the growth in wealth disparity imo, not the rate of return on Social Security.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Of course it does.
It doesn't matter if the lower classes are increasing in wealth
However your described perception is EXACTLY emblematic of leftist redistributional idiocy.
EXACTLY!
Doubling SOL for lowerclass/middleclass should stand on its own as a significant accomplishment. But IAW the above construct, it does not. If middleclass income/SOL doubles, but upperclass income triples, then somehow that is unfair to the middleclass.
OTOH if middleclass income remains stagnant, but upperlevel income/wealth/SOL is cut in half,
THAT CONSTITUTES GREAT SUCCESS according to neosocialists!
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Then its a silly argument. Disparity isn't a measure of increasing/declining wealth, nor the ability to attain wealth.
That's not the argument. The argument is increasing disparity.
The clear implication of the OP is that those of lower and middle classes would have the opportunity to be better off without SS.
Seemingly, giving the "lower class" more opportunity to earn more wealth is a better "solution" to disparity than making "the rich" poorer.
quote:The rich have a far greater capacity to generate wealth. Of course they will get richer, faster. It's inevitable when the money supply is constantly increasing.
The point is that the disparity, that is the increase in wealth for the wealthy and the lower classes comparatively.
So what?
It doesn't mean the "lower classes" are poorer. Nor does it mean they are poorer than they would be, if the rich were made poorer.
quote:I agree. When people make more money than others - the disparity increases. Seems like a trivial observation, more than a causal relationship.
I still say that the working class's income hasn't increased at the same rate as the wealthier classes (whether it's stagnant or increasing is academic). That is the reason for the growth in wealth disparity imo
quote:Consider that payroll taxes start at the first dollar earned. If you're saying giving "the poor" an across the board 12.4% pay increase over their entire lifetime wouldn't have the potential to significantly increase their net worth... I don't know what to say.
That is the reason for the growth in wealth disparity imo, not the rate of return on Social Security.
Seems obvious. Opportunity costs are real.
Given the time value of money most retirees could have more money, and better quality of life had they had the chance.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 3:07 pm
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