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re: Net Neutrality -- What You Need To Know
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:49 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:49 pm to Korkstand
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It's not about what the consumer pays for internet access. It's about how much internet companies will have to pay (and to whom) to gain access to these consumers
it's about both. we can simplify this even more. it's about the total cost to consumers
consumers will choose the option that offers comparable services/goods at the lower price
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Let's say we eliminate all regulation on ISPs, and they decide what websites can be visited, what TV channels we can watch, and what advertisements we can see on each.
this is the problem. your argument assumes they will all act in accordance with each other and will just stop competing
yeah, it's very likely some of the ISPs will enact restrictive policies. it's also very likely some of the ISPs will not
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Are you saying they should be allowed to deny a startup ISP any ad space/time?
are we to assume if the startup can pay more for the ad space, they'll still get rejected? because if not, that's how ALL ads work
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corporate "oppression"
scary words!
you're not going to find many persons willing to engage in a discussion on this topic with you who will treat you with respect after you refuse to leave the emotional trickery at the door. just letting you know
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's about both. we can simplify this even more. it's about the total cost to consumers
consumers will choose the option that offers comparable services/goods at the lower price
why consumers go with subsidized phones when by almost any measure they are more expensive?
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are we to assume if the startup can pay more for the ad space, they'll still get rejected? because if not, that's how ALL ads work
Without net neutrality, an ISP could examine packets and say "well this gif is for a competitor, we are going to put that in the very very very slow lane"
Even if they paid for the ad, the consumer might not even see it.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It is far from a stretch of an assumption, considering it happens all the fricking time.
this is the problem. your argument assumes they will all act in accordance with each other and will just stop competing
quote:If it's legal, the dominant ISP would reject any price for ad space for a competitor. They could also replace any ad for a competing service with an ad for their own, completely transparent to the user. The startup could pay Google tons of money to show ads, and Cox or whoever could just nullify that and show their own shite. Who's going to stop them with no government oversight? Would the startup have to pursue costly legal action? Would the public catch on and voice their opinions or speak with their wallets?
are we to assume if the startup can pay more for the ad space, they'll still get rejected? because if not, that's how ALL ads work
quote:They're supposed to be scary.
scary words!
quote:No trickery, just following a scenario to its logical conclusion.
you're not going to find many persons willing to engage in a discussion on this topic with you who will treat you with respect after you refuse to leave the emotional trickery at the door. just letting you know
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is the problem. your argument assumes they will all act in accordance with each other and will just stop competing
yeah, it's very likely some of the ISPs will enact restrictive policies. it's also very likely some of the ISPs will not
Exactly. When AT&T and Verizon did away with unlimited data Sprint kept it and it has done absolutely nothing for them because the other carriers are better.
I welcome our Comcast and AT&T overlords.
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