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re: Cost of college projections are scary
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:09 pm to b-rab2
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:09 pm to b-rab2
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Not saying your wrong, but that seems a little high. I was thinking around 4% but I could be way off.. if so, that puts a lot of stress on investors that need 7% a year return just to stay even.
I think they're looking at college cost inflation only. That's been roughly twice the official inflation rate for about the last 40 years, IIRC.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:19 pm to tokenBoiler
The huge increases in Cost of attendance is due to a great number of factors. Lower public funds being made available, growing bureaucracy, increases luxuries/amenities available and general inflation in spending habits on food etc
Lower Public Funds- If you look at the current $ value increases since 1980 of public vs private, public schools saw increases in costs of 7-8x since 1980 compared to private schools which is around 2x. This would be a solid representation of the lower $ amount provided from public/state funding
I used to have an excel spreadsheet with every Auburn University employee's salary. You would be shocked that ehre are positions like "Associate Provost of Women's Initiatives" that get paid in excess of 300k per year. What is worse is no girl/"woman" I have spoken to knows the position exists nor what the position does. She gets paid a lot for doing effing nothing
The luxuries and amenities available are the building of new dormitories, dining facilities and rec centers for students. This "arms race" to provide the best living accommodations is huge at schools and driving up the price.
Lower Public Funds- If you look at the current $ value increases since 1980 of public vs private, public schools saw increases in costs of 7-8x since 1980 compared to private schools which is around 2x. This would be a solid representation of the lower $ amount provided from public/state funding
I used to have an excel spreadsheet with every Auburn University employee's salary. You would be shocked that ehre are positions like "Associate Provost of Women's Initiatives" that get paid in excess of 300k per year. What is worse is no girl/"woman" I have spoken to knows the position exists nor what the position does. She gets paid a lot for doing effing nothing
The luxuries and amenities available are the building of new dormitories, dining facilities and rec centers for students. This "arms race" to provide the best living accommodations is huge at schools and driving up the price.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:21 pm to GenesChin
Now concerning the above post, my reaction to all this is that the biggest increases in education inflation have come and passed.
The public funding has been slowly dwindling for years and it can't be cut too much more. Even then, schools have already started to take into account the dwindling supply of public funding
I would like to believe there are only so many more stupid initiatives nad such schools can make for stupid positions so I don't see it expanding like it has. Most of these offices of student affairs, diversity, womans initiatives already exist and the cost of adding a ton of these have already been taken into account
Most student luxuries are already in the process of being built and taken into account and this trend will end. It can't be a constant building cycle
The public funding has been slowly dwindling for years and it can't be cut too much more. Even then, schools have already started to take into account the dwindling supply of public funding
I would like to believe there are only so many more stupid initiatives nad such schools can make for stupid positions so I don't see it expanding like it has. Most of these offices of student affairs, diversity, womans initiatives already exist and the cost of adding a ton of these have already been taken into account
Most student luxuries are already in the process of being built and taken into account and this trend will end. It can't be a constant building cycle
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:23 am to GoIrish02
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GoIrish02
This is what I was going to post. The system is already starting to crack - and it's cracking in the insanely high priced yet not exactly a brand name private college market - which Loyola of NO and Spring Hill are in.
My parents didn't save any money for college for me. I didn't go to a private school, and a combination of scholarships and loans are how I funded it. I'll be paying on those loans for a while.
That's sort of the philosophy I have with my kids. Tuition rates can only stay so high if there are loans, etc available. Otherwise, no one will be able to afford to go.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:29 am to yellowfin
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That said I'm shooting for 200k per kid
shite, Fin, where exactly are you sending these kids ?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:30 am to GenesChin
The cost of college projections are scary for my kids and there's no way in hell I can afford to $125,000 or so for each kid and fund my retirement accounts as well. My wife and I chose to fund our retirement accounts and save whatever we can for our kids' college needs. We project that we might have $40-50K per child.
My kids are only 9 and 5, but I'm trying to teach them early to work hard and do well in school so when the time comes during high school, they will already have this work ethic inside of them to perform when it actually counts to securing a scholarship. If they want to be able to go to any college of their choice, they better work hard in school to get a scholarship. They will have only a limited amount of funds from us to contribute towards their college education.
Both my wife and I attended undergrad and came out of it without any loan debt due to having scholarships. I also had a part time job and my parents helped me with living expenses with my off campus apartment. We came out of undgrad without any debt and we're preparing our kids to do the same. Whether or not they do it is up to them. We can't do the work for them. So far they are responding well, especially my 9 year old.
My kids are only 9 and 5, but I'm trying to teach them early to work hard and do well in school so when the time comes during high school, they will already have this work ethic inside of them to perform when it actually counts to securing a scholarship. If they want to be able to go to any college of their choice, they better work hard in school to get a scholarship. They will have only a limited amount of funds from us to contribute towards their college education.
Both my wife and I attended undergrad and came out of it without any loan debt due to having scholarships. I also had a part time job and my parents helped me with living expenses with my off campus apartment. We came out of undgrad without any debt and we're preparing our kids to do the same. Whether or not they do it is up to them. We can't do the work for them. So far they are responding well, especially my 9 year old.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:36 am to oR33Do
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cost of attendance per year
Alabama - $23106
Auburn - $28098
Troy - $21200
UWA - $21674
ASU - $17442
And actual attendance/fees per semester is only $4,975 at Alabama.
Auburn is $5,100/semester.
Auburn ties in your estimated car/fuel/room/board/books/fees and personal expenses to reach their $29k .
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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My wife and I chose to fund our retirement accounts and save whatever we can for our kids' college needs
I've heard several financial experts say this: You can always borrow for college, but it's much harder to borrow for retirement.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:25 am to LSUFanHouston
I'm more worried about paying for high school than college.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:41 am to LSUAfro
Where ever they want hopefully
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:44 am to Cold Cous Cous
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I'm more worried about paying for high school than college
A-rated public education where I live. One of the reasons why I live where I live. I didn't want to have to send my kids to private school when I already pay taxes for public school. We just chose to move to an area with good public schools instead of paying "twice" for our kids to go to school.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:16 am to Cold Cous Cous
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I'm more worried about paying for high school than college.
This is why my kids won't have 200k/kid in their college funds.
$15-20k/year in tuition for 2 kids = $200k in pre-college education.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:27 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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I have a feeling straight line projections won't be very accurate. My guess is there will be a tuition collapse soon. I don't see how it can sustain this rise in cost. It will be something like 40 straight years of absurd increases at that point.
I would tend to agree. Something is going to happen, the increase is unsustainable, especially since most of that tuition increases is funneled to administration activities/nice facilities, and not the actual education.
What we need to see is the gov't stop offering financial aid for things like english, or comparative literature. First two years you can get financial aide for anything, 2nd two years you have to pay for it yourself unless its something where you can pay back your loans.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:50 am to LSUAfro
I'm not sure of the high school costs here but elementary is running me about 6k a year
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:57 am to LSUAfro
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And actual attendance/fees per semester is only $4,975 at Alabama.
Auburn is $5,100/semester.
Auburn ties in your estimated car/fuel/room/board/books/fees and personal expenses to reach their $29k
Precisely. I've put one through college (Christopher Newport University) and have one currently in college (Old Dominion University) with the first one going back to graduate school (George Mason University) and my costs have not approached those given in this thread.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:24 am to VABuckeye
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Precisely. I've put one through college (Christopher Newport University) and have one currently in college (Old Dominion University) with the first one going back to graduate school (George Mason University) and my costs have not approached those given in this thread.
What are you paying for dorm/apt and food, roughly?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:26 am to yellowfin
quote:That's about right for the BR area.
I'm not sure of the high school costs here but elementary is running me about 6k a year
Grades 6-12 generally runs $7-15 annually.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:29 am to Sigma
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What are you paying for dorm/apt and food, roughly?
My son's apartment cost is $425 a month for his share plus about $60 more for utilities and satellite and internet. We chip in $150 a month for food and the rest is on him and his savings from the previous summer.
My daughter will be living at home during grad school so no additional cost there.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:48 am to VABuckeye
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My son's apartment cost is $425 a month for his share plus about $60 more for utilities and satellite and internet. We chip in $150 a month for food
So that's $635 a month on "board" that would be covered by 529 funds. 9 months (2 semesters) = $5700.
$10,000 tuition/fees
$5,700 room/board
$1,200 books
$17,000 total per year, $68,000 for four years.
17 years from now, that will be $53,000 and $215,000. Better, but I still won't get there.
Here's hoping things change.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 12:19 pm to Sigma
I would use 529 funds toward tuition first and foremost. When you start using it for housing costs and particularly for off campus housing you get into a gray area with the IRS and proper use of the funds.
You can't just say that "board" is $635 and use 529 funds to pay for it.
You can't just say that "board" is $635 and use 529 funds to pay for it.
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