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re: Politico: The Benghazi-Industrial Complex
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:49 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:49 pm to Y.A. Tittle
What my post was getting at is she may actually be the most electable Democrat out there.
Biden is a fool.
Warren is too extreme.
They've already played the inexperienced black Senator card.
HRC or bust
Biden is a fool.
Warren is too extreme.
They've already played the inexperienced black Senator card.
HRC or bust
Posted on 5/5/14 at 1:50 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
I think it might explain their sudden clamoring to get Jeb Bush anointed as her opponent.
Need a Bush to run against. The perfect enemy of the Left.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:54 pm to a want
Previous Benghazi article by Michael Hirsh:
"Five myths about Benghazi
By Michael Hirsh, Published: May 16, 2013
"1. U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice gave a deliberately false account of the attack."
Uh-oh, should have waited before using this one.
"2. A faster military response would have saved at least some of the four Americans."
He starts his explanation with this ... "We will never know for sure."
No one with a brain would contend that either Stevens or Smith could have been saved that night once the attack began. The debate has been about Doherty and Woods, and I for one have never said that they could have been saved. For the same reason as Hirsh said - "we will never know". For me, it's a hypothetical question and 50 years of think tank guys discussing it would only come back to ... "we will never know". (If the Select committee focuses on this, they will be shooting themselves in the foot, and get hopelessly bogged down.)
"3. Obama and Clinton should not be blamed."
Remember, he's saying these are Benghazi MYTHS. And his first sentence after that is, "This is the Democrats’ favorite myth." Later he adds: "In fact, the Obama administration did appear to be playing down or ignoring security threats in Libya at the time. Then this : " In congressional testimony in January, Clinton said that she didn’t read an Aug. 16 cable from Stevens that raised questions about security and that she didn’t know about a decision to reject a request for more security. “I didn’t see those requests. They did not come to me. I did not approve them. I did not deny them,” she said. If so, it’s fair to ask: Why wasn’t Clinton involved? "
"4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted." Remember, Hirsh is saying these are MYTHS. "Why was Stevens allowed to travel to such an unsecure place?"
"5. Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP." Hirsh is saying in May of 2013 that the belief that Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP is a MYTH. His full explanation:
"Republicans have blown Benghazi out of proportion. It doesn’t appear to have been a cover-up, but neither can it be dismissed. It represents a tragic failure of U.S. policy, one that should spark a larger discussion about whether the government has responded poorly to the Islamist threats that have emerged since the Arab Spring. It is reasonable to ask whether the Obama administration, starting with the president himself, created the conditions for Benghazi by being overconfident about the destruction of al-Qaeda and playing down the significance of extremist elements, possibly linked to al-Qaeda, that had emerged in Libya and elsewhere. Unless these threats are better understood, it is easy to imagine a similar disaster happening elsewhere.
Because Benghazi cost precious American lives, it should be investigated carefully rather than politicized endlessly."
Kind of a generic, mixed-bag there.
Quite a turnaround from October 24, 2012, six weeks after Benghazii, when Hirsh wrote this story, headlined
"The Real Libya Story: There Is No Story
Michael Hirsh --- Oct 24 2012, 5:29 PM ET "
Hirsh has been all over the place covering this story. .Seven months after saying there is no story, he writes there IS a story.
Now, with Benghazi really heating up, he's falling nicely into line.
Your linked story, "The Benghazi-Industrial Complex:
Will the pseudo-scandal be enough to stop Hillary from running?
"
By MICHAEL HIRSH
May 04, 2014"
Go back up to Hirsh's acknowledged MYTH #5 - " Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP."
So a year ago ,he himself said it was a MYTH that Benghazi is a "pseudo-scandal" and now he says it IS a "pseudo-scandal"
Hirsh thought back in May of 2013 that Benghazi would be forgotten by now, so he lightened up on the Republicans. He also said in October of 2012 That there is "NO STORY", as he reported just six weeks after the deaths.
Mr. Hirsh, upon learning that there will indeed be a Select Benghazi Committee, just got into the fetal position.
"Five myths about Benghazi
By Michael Hirsh, Published: May 16, 2013
"1. U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice gave a deliberately false account of the attack."
Uh-oh, should have waited before using this one.
"2. A faster military response would have saved at least some of the four Americans."
He starts his explanation with this ... "We will never know for sure."
No one with a brain would contend that either Stevens or Smith could have been saved that night once the attack began. The debate has been about Doherty and Woods, and I for one have never said that they could have been saved. For the same reason as Hirsh said - "we will never know". For me, it's a hypothetical question and 50 years of think tank guys discussing it would only come back to ... "we will never know". (If the Select committee focuses on this, they will be shooting themselves in the foot, and get hopelessly bogged down.)
"3. Obama and Clinton should not be blamed."
Remember, he's saying these are Benghazi MYTHS. And his first sentence after that is, "This is the Democrats’ favorite myth." Later he adds: "In fact, the Obama administration did appear to be playing down or ignoring security threats in Libya at the time. Then this : " In congressional testimony in January, Clinton said that she didn’t read an Aug. 16 cable from Stevens that raised questions about security and that she didn’t know about a decision to reject a request for more security. “I didn’t see those requests. They did not come to me. I did not approve them. I did not deny them,” she said. If so, it’s fair to ask: Why wasn’t Clinton involved? "
"4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted." Remember, Hirsh is saying these are MYTHS. "Why was Stevens allowed to travel to such an unsecure place?"
"5. Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP." Hirsh is saying in May of 2013 that the belief that Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP is a MYTH. His full explanation:
"Republicans have blown Benghazi out of proportion. It doesn’t appear to have been a cover-up, but neither can it be dismissed. It represents a tragic failure of U.S. policy, one that should spark a larger discussion about whether the government has responded poorly to the Islamist threats that have emerged since the Arab Spring. It is reasonable to ask whether the Obama administration, starting with the president himself, created the conditions for Benghazi by being overconfident about the destruction of al-Qaeda and playing down the significance of extremist elements, possibly linked to al-Qaeda, that had emerged in Libya and elsewhere. Unless these threats are better understood, it is easy to imagine a similar disaster happening elsewhere.
Because Benghazi cost precious American lives, it should be investigated carefully rather than politicized endlessly."
Kind of a generic, mixed-bag there.
Quite a turnaround from October 24, 2012, six weeks after Benghazii, when Hirsh wrote this story, headlined
"The Real Libya Story: There Is No Story
Michael Hirsh --- Oct 24 2012, 5:29 PM ET "
Hirsh has been all over the place covering this story. .Seven months after saying there is no story, he writes there IS a story.
Now, with Benghazi really heating up, he's falling nicely into line.
Your linked story, "The Benghazi-Industrial Complex:
Will the pseudo-scandal be enough to stop Hillary from running?
"
By MICHAEL HIRSH
May 04, 2014"
Go back up to Hirsh's acknowledged MYTH #5 - " Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP."
So a year ago ,he himself said it was a MYTH that Benghazi is a "pseudo-scandal" and now he says it IS a "pseudo-scandal"
Hirsh thought back in May of 2013 that Benghazi would be forgotten by now, so he lightened up on the Republicans. He also said in October of 2012 That there is "NO STORY", as he reported just six weeks after the deaths.
Mr. Hirsh, upon learning that there will indeed be a Select Benghazi Committee, just got into the fetal position.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:00 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:?
She and obama had an epic battle, and she didn't get trounced.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:02 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Julian Castro.
I don't think they rush Booker out there. Who else is in the stable? I feel like I'm missing someone.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:02 pm to a want
Not matter what, the photos of Ambassador Stevens will never be good optics for HRC.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:05 pm to TrueTiger
I wonder if she has another "illness" so as not to testify in a timely fashion, again?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:08 pm to a want
quote:
Stop deliberately misinforming yourself! They're taking advantage of you! They're selling ads and making money off of your love for outrage....and they'll keep giving it to you. It's like a bunch of heroin addicts around here, I swear.
I'm sorry you live under a rock A want - that is unfortunate that you can't see the bigger picture.
Bear in mind, those Americans died as a direct result of her tenure as SOS so you are sorely mistaken if you think the voting populace will forget this so soon.
And next time, please refute my points in a discussion, not engage in cyber babble "if your read crap like blah blah blah". Gracias.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:10 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Julian Castro.
He's awfully young.
He could make some noise some day, though.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:21 pm to a want
quote:For many democrats: race > experience. See 2008.
He's awfully young.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:31 pm to Taxing Authority
I hope they subpoena the witch and go at her full force. It is past time some of these Dems got something besides softball questions. Might as well go rabid dog on her because the media will claim you did anyhow.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:32 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
Not matter what, the photos of Ambassador Stevens will never be good optics for HRC.
That pic you posted is NOT of Ambassador Stevens. It has been around the internet for at least 5 years now, with most accounts back then attributing it to Iraq. But to misrepresent it here is cruel.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:35 pm to NHTIGER
Bottom line..it happened on her watch, Hillary is responsible and her feet should be held to the fire on it.
Qualified to be President...can anyone list anything positive she has accomplished in her time in public service? What has she done?
Qualified to be President...can anyone list anything positive she has accomplished in her time in public service? What has she done?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:47 pm to antibarner
quote:
ttom line..it happened on her watch, Hillary is responsible and her feet should be held to the fire on it
I'm sure you use the same logic when talking about the Reagan and Bush 2 administrations.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:52 pm to a want
I'm really having a hard time understanding why all the uproar over 4 dead Americans.
The way I understand this is at BEST this was a blunder followed by a coverup. At worst this was a cover up from the start to hide what the gov't is really doing in Libya. I get that, it's bad, it's not good.
But 4 Americans? I can think of a similar situation where we sent soldiers into combat under somewhat shady justification and THOUSANDS died (Iraq). The cover up? "Yeah, well, maybe that wasn't such a good idea."
No doubt losing an ambassador and his staff is NEVER a good thing, but in the perspective of global politics, is the Libyan fiasco really warranting this much gnashing of teeth? I don't even remember it being this bad when Reagan lost all those Marines in Beirut, and he's considered "The Bestest EVAH!!!1!"
No, I didn't vote for Obama.
No, I won't be voting for HRC, or any Democrat (nor Republican) in the next election cycle.
It just looks like a bunch of election year hoopla to me. I'm afraid the American people are going to see it for the same thing I'm seeing it as, Republicans trying to make political hay over a blunder. I don't think they're going to take it very seriously.
It is my hope that the Republicans wake up from the ridiculousness and choose a better battlefield. One that the American people will see the importance of, and one where the Republicans may be able to get a tactical advantage on. What battlefield, you ask...?
..."It's the economy, stupid."
I thin this would be the perfect time to turn that table on the Democrats.
The way I understand this is at BEST this was a blunder followed by a coverup. At worst this was a cover up from the start to hide what the gov't is really doing in Libya. I get that, it's bad, it's not good.
But 4 Americans? I can think of a similar situation where we sent soldiers into combat under somewhat shady justification and THOUSANDS died (Iraq). The cover up? "Yeah, well, maybe that wasn't such a good idea."
No doubt losing an ambassador and his staff is NEVER a good thing, but in the perspective of global politics, is the Libyan fiasco really warranting this much gnashing of teeth? I don't even remember it being this bad when Reagan lost all those Marines in Beirut, and he's considered "The Bestest EVAH!!!1!"
No, I didn't vote for Obama.
No, I won't be voting for HRC, or any Democrat (nor Republican) in the next election cycle.
It just looks like a bunch of election year hoopla to me. I'm afraid the American people are going to see it for the same thing I'm seeing it as, Republicans trying to make political hay over a blunder. I don't think they're going to take it very seriously.
It is my hope that the Republicans wake up from the ridiculousness and choose a better battlefield. One that the American people will see the importance of, and one where the Republicans may be able to get a tactical advantage on. What battlefield, you ask...?
..."It's the economy, stupid."
I thin this would be the perfect time to turn that table on the Democrats.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Well said.
Unfortunately you're going to get kicked out b/c you're not a "true conservative". You, like David Frum, David Brooks and many other reasonable people, are now a RINO.
Unfortunately you're going to get kicked out b/c you're not a "true conservative". You, like David Frum, David Brooks and many other reasonable people, are now a RINO.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:41 pm to a want
Don't change the subject a want. You had your shot at them. Hillary participated in some of that.
She was asleep at the wheel. She needs to answer for it. But my main questions still remain.
What qualifies her to be President? Putting up with Bill? Let's hear what she has actually gotten done and not what offices she has held.
This time,the Democrat candidate for President is going to be vetted. Not like Obama.
She was asleep at the wheel. She needs to answer for it. But my main questions still remain.
What qualifies her to be President? Putting up with Bill? Let's hear what she has actually gotten done and not what offices she has held.
This time,the Democrat candidate for President is going to be vetted. Not like Obama.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:You're having a hard time, because that isn't what the uproar is about. I don't think the administration deserves much, if any, blame for the attack occurring.
I'm really having a hard time understanding why all the uproar over 4 dead Americans.
It's the administration's attempt to obfuscate, distort and transfer blame that's at issue. If the Most Transparent Administration int eh History of Government™ had been candid in the days and weeks following, Benghazi would have long been forgotten by now.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 6:00 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Save Benghazi?
Kenneth starr isn't going to save benghazi.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 6:02 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Naw the Cankle Queen only had those issues when she was expected to testify, all better now.
there are rumors she has some health issues
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