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Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:05 pm to Wolfhound45
It's a coronation if she runs. Remember: It's not normal for parties to ravage themselves from within during a primary. That 2012 bed-shite was one for the ages.
The Ds have no reason tear their candidate apart. Hillary is a great candidate. The Ds want to win and HRC looks like their best shot. No D (with $) is going to approve of anyone trying tear her down. That's just the way it works.
The Ds have no reason tear their candidate apart. Hillary is a great candidate. The Ds want to win and HRC looks like their best shot. No D (with $) is going to approve of anyone trying tear her down. That's just the way it works.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:06 pm to a want
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Hillary is a great candidate
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:07 pm to GumboPot
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Perhaps if the Republicans can’t beat Hillary Clinton fairly in 2016
The Republicans never beat anyone fairly, don't you know that?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:09 pm to a want
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I like the republican response to "is she qualified"
8 years as Senator from NY
4 years as Sec. of State
not to mention 8 years as first lady
You may not like her, but if she isn't qualified who is?
it's pretty obvious from the last 2 elections that the Dems don't give a shite if they're qualified....as long as they have a D by their name.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:09 pm to a want
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The Ds have no reason tear their candidate apart.
Other than possibly winning the nomination themselves? My friend, you vastly underestimate how narcissistic these individuals are regardless as to the political party they represent. It takes a tremendous degree of grit and fortitude to get through this grueling process and you have to truly believe you are the right person for the job. Unless the D brand has no one other than HRC seek the nomination, it is going to get ugly. People do not enter a race solely for the purpose of losing.
Just saying.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:13 pm to Wolfhound45
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ETA: Have to admit, I am bookmarking this for the day it comes out in the debates/primaries. Someone is going to sling some mud. Some proxy (e.g. news outlet or political organization) is going to bring it up. Agree or disagree with the validity of the decisions that were made, they are on the table from an election standpoint.
Well....are we talking about the word "Benghazi" being mentioned?
Or are we talking:
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she is going to be savaged in the Democratic primaries
Let's get the context straight. I'm sure the topic will come up - I'm just saying your statement about her being "savaged" by primary opponents is way off base.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:14 pm to Wolfhound45
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Other than possibly winning the nomination themselves? My friend, you vastly underestimate how narcissistic these individuals are regardless as to the political party they represent. It takes a tremendous degree of grit and fortitude to get through this grueling process and you have to truly believe you are the right person for the job. Unless the D brand has no one other than HRC seek the nomination, it is going to get ugly. People do not enter a race solely for the purpose of losing.
I think HRC is going to get beat up in the primaries but not over benghazi. HRC is going to have the strongest "Commander in Chief" credentials of any of the major entrants. She has been in the situation room, and has dealt with foreign leaders for decades. Biden could go after her a bit on it, but honestly it tarnishes him just as much as her.
The bit players could hit her up, but her response could be - well can you tell me about a time when you were dealing with a situation like that? And then its crickets.
eta: I have heard from a psuedo source that she has health issues and won't be running. So it might as well be moot.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:19 pm to a want
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Let's get the context straight.
Fair enough.
Benghazi will be brought up in the primaries. And it will be used to bludgeon her (fairly or unfairly - it is a matter of public record and open to discussion/interpretation).
Either one of her opponents will do it (probable) or a proxy (most likely). The savagery of the attack will depend upon whether you are willing to run the risk of burning bridges for a 2020/2024 run (which is a very valid concern).
It comes down to a tactical (2016 success) versus a strategic (2024) decision.
Politics - ugly, ugly business.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:20 pm to Wolfhound45
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Other than possibly winning the nomination themselves? My friend, you vastly underestimate how narcissistic these individuals are regardless as to the political party they represent....People do not enter a race solely for the purpose of losing.
But you're understimating the power of the party and money. People don't get into the race unless they have significant financial backing. No one in their right mind is going to give Generic Candidate (who has little shot at winning the nomination) money just so they can tear down someone else in the same party who is almost certain to win. You're using the 2012 GOP primary as a template for primaries. That's the exception.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:21 pm to Hawkeye95
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This scandal is a nothingburger
How is the executive branch coming up with scripted lies about the murder of a U.S. ambassador to influence the nation in the lead up to a presidential election a "nothingburger"
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:22 pm to Hawkeye95
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HRC is going to have the strongest "Commander in Chief" credentials of any of the major entrants.
Excellent points - which reinforces my position. In order to raise myself up to her level I have to pull her down to mine. Toe to toe - Warren cannot touch HRC on international affairs (sorry - that is a fact). So Warren has to go after her supposed strength and negate it. Hence, question her judgement on Benghazi. But a want and Rex may very well be right - it is her turn and the others are going to treat her with kids gloves. Surprising, but not out of the realm of possibility.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:23 pm to Strannix
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How is the executive branch coming up with scripted lies about the murder of a U.S. ambassador to influence the nation in the lead up to a presidential election a "nothingburger"
this really has not been proven. maybe there is something there, but I have not been convinced. The reports that came out recently, pretty much exonerated the white house on this. Read the report.
I will watch to see what happens but I bet this disappears in a few months.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:24 pm to Wolfhound45
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HRC is going to have the strongest "Commander in Chief" credentials of any of the major entrants.
Lol what's her greatest asset? Standing by meekly as her husband got blow jobs from interns and dropped money shots on blue dresses in the oval office?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:25 pm to Hawkeye95
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The reports that came out recently, pretty much exonerated the white house on this. Read the report.
I'll wait for the special prosecutor
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:25 pm to Wolfhound45
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So Warren has to go after her supposed strength and negate it. Hence, question her judgement on Benghazi. But a want and Rex may very well be right - it is her turn and the others are going to treat her with kids gloves. Surprising, but not out of the realm of possibility.
I mean, maybe. but warren might want to play to her strength, and call her a crony capitalist. Point to her and her husbands close ties to banks and large corporations. This will play very well with the democratic base.
warren very well may run, but she is probably eyeing 2020. If HRC enters the race, I really think the only legit contender to the nomination would be biden. And no one really likes biden.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:26 pm to a want
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But you're understimating the power of the party and money. People don't get into the race unless they have significant financial backing. No one in their right mind is going to give Generic Candidate (who has little shot at winning the nomination) money just so they can tear down someone else in the same party who is almost certain to win.
Agree with you wholeheartedly. If the good money backs HRC I believe that Biden and Warren will fold their flags and play the long game (particularly Warren) for 2020 (should HRC lose in the general election) or 2024 (should HRC win).
But if they feel like they have a chance and the good money is split - all bets are off.
I use a simple methodology - hope for the best, plan for the worst. HRC needs to be prepared for attacks on Benghazi by her Democratic challengers or their proxies.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:29 pm to Strannix
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Lol what's her greatest asset? Standing by meekly as her husband got blow jobs from interns and dropped money shots on blue dresses in the oval office?
she was sec of state for 4 years. And being first lady, she met a wide variety of political players.
who on the left would have more than that?
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I'll wait for the special prosecutor
There is no special prosecutor. Kenneth starr isn't going to save benghazi.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:31 pm to Hawkeye95
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I mean, maybe. but warren might want to play to her strength, and call her a crony capitalist. Point to her and her husbands close ties to banks and large corporations. This will play very well with the democratic base.
Excellent analysis.
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warren very well may run, but she is probably eyeing 2020. If HRC enters the race, I really think the only legit contender to the nomination would be biden. And no one really likes biden.
Good points as well. If they both come weak, testing the waters and are shut out of the deep pockets D organizations, then they (particularly Warren) play for the future and use the primaries as a train up for a future POTUS run.
The time for HRC to make the "kill" is now and shut off all money to her opponents. Make it known she is the heir apparent, period. Knowing the Clinton machine, that is a real possibility.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 12:32 pm to Wolfhound45
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The time for HRC to make the "kill" is now and shut off all money to her opponents. Make it known she is the heir apparent, period. Knowing the Clinton machine, that is a real possibility.
I think its 50-50 on her running. I do agree if she is running, she should start running now. Don't wait.
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