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re: Frank Vogel said Hibbert is the 2nd best rim defender in the league...
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:10 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:10 pm to Tennessee Jed
quote:
team defense
Team stat bubba, sorry to break it to ya.
That's like saying that Blake Griffin is the best offensive player in the league bc the Clips lead the league in Points per possession
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:12 pm to Boomshockalocka
So, we jumped from the low 20s to number 1 overall, and the only thing that changed was the addition of Marc Gasol.
Look, I get it. You buy into the commercialism of the game, not the actual on floor product. It's ok, most fans do that, I'm not holding it against you.
Sorry, to the Pelicans fans OTB. I'll take my leave, no sense is cluttering your team board.
Look, I get it. You buy into the commercialism of the game, not the actual on floor product. It's ok, most fans do that, I'm not holding it against you.
Sorry, to the Pelicans fans OTB. I'll take my leave, no sense is cluttering your team board.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:29 pm to oncealurker
No way is Davis the best rim defender in the league. He's a great shot-blocker, but not the best rim defender.
A great rim defender can single-handedly bring a team's defense from bad to decent or from decent to good.
If Davis was the best rim defender in the league, there is no way the Pelicans defense would be as bad as it was this year.
A great rim defender can single-handedly bring a team's defense from bad to decent or from decent to good.
If Davis was the best rim defender in the league, there is no way the Pelicans defense would be as bad as it was this year.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:32 pm to Boomshockalocka
all that article shows is that hibbert is better than dwight 
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:33 pm to htran90
It ain't called the hibberrt effect dude.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:34 pm to PrimeTime Money
Pelicans' drtg - 110.1
AD's drtg - 104
Rockets' drtg - 106.3
DH's drtg - 101
AD's drtg - 104
Rockets' drtg - 106.3
DH's drtg - 101
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:42 pm to oncealurker
Definitely is one of the best at rim jobs
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:42 pm to htran90
So Asik is better than AD's backup. Didn't need your stats to tell us that.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:45 pm to Boomshockalocka
Or how about this one for you:
Roy hibbert faced 419 shots.
Of those 419, 54.4% were 'close range shots'.
Of those 228 attempts, 38.2% were made.
Totalling up to: 87 made shots out of 228 attempts
Dwight howard faced 409 shots.
Of those 409, 48.2% were 'close range shots'.
Of those 197 attempts, 45.7% were made.
Totalling up to: 90 made shots out of 197 attempts
So even though he makes them defer, which we all know he does, when he's tested, he actually allowed more shots than hibbert did although hibbert was tested more often.
i.e. you should attack the rim against howard more often than not.
Roy hibbert faced 419 shots.
Of those 419, 54.4% were 'close range shots'.
Of those 228 attempts, 38.2% were made.
Totalling up to: 87 made shots out of 228 attempts
Dwight howard faced 409 shots.
Of those 409, 48.2% were 'close range shots'.
Of those 197 attempts, 45.7% were made.
Totalling up to: 90 made shots out of 197 attempts
So even though he makes them defer, which we all know he does, when he's tested, he actually allowed more shots than hibbert did although hibbert was tested more often.
i.e. you should attack the rim against howard more often than not.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:54 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:58 pm to Boomshockalocka
I never talked about Gasol.
I'm just showing you Dwight isn't the best and it should have been called the Hibbert Effect. The guy allowed lower %s across the board even though he allowed a tad bit more shots than dwight up close.
I'm just showing you Dwight isn't the best and it should have been called the Hibbert Effect. The guy allowed lower %s across the board even though he allowed a tad bit more shots than dwight up close.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:01 pm to Boomshockalocka
If you want Gasols' #s
344 shots faced
52.6% were up close
of those 181 shots, 51.9% were made
94 shots made
ETA:
Dwight D mid range
131 shots attempted (38.2%) - 50 made
Dwight D 3pt range
78 shots attempted (43.6%) - 34 made
Totalling: 174/409 for 42.54% made shots when he's defending
Gasol D mid range
91 shots attempted (33.0%) - 30 made
Gasol D 3pt range
67 shots attempted (32.8%) - 22 made
Totalling: 146/344 for 42.44% made shot when he's defending
344 shots faced
52.6% were up close
of those 181 shots, 51.9% were made
94 shots made
ETA:
Dwight D mid range
131 shots attempted (38.2%) - 50 made
Dwight D 3pt range
78 shots attempted (43.6%) - 34 made
Totalling: 174/409 for 42.54% made shots when he's defending
Gasol D mid range
91 shots attempted (33.0%) - 30 made
Gasol D 3pt range
67 shots attempted (32.8%) - 22 made
Totalling: 146/344 for 42.44% made shot when he's defending
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:02 pm to htran90
NO it's rightfully called the Dwight effect because teams shoot less at the rim v Dwight than others. Did you read the paper or not?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:04 pm to htran90
someone get tennessee jed back in here
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
NO it's rightfully called the Dwight effect because teams shoot less at the rim v Dwight than others. Did you read the paper or not?
Fine, its called the dwight effect because he makes people take jump shots.
Doesn't take away the fact, Hibbert > Dwight in defense
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:10 pm to htran90
I don't remember saying Howard was the best. 
Hibbert can be best if you want him to be ok buddy :pats head:
Hibbert can be best if you want him to be ok buddy :pats head:
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:15 pm to htran90
Howard - Totalling: 174/409 for 42.54% made shots when he's defending
Gasol - Totalling: 146/344 for 42.44% made shot when he's defending
Gasol > Howard
Gasol - Totalling: 146/344 for 42.44% made shot when he's defending
Gasol > Howard
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:17 pm to Boomshockalocka
No one is arguing howard doesn't alter people's shot selection.
What you fail to realize is that Gasol and Hibbert allow lower % of the shots they defend from anywhere. Hibbert being better than Dwight in regards to close to the rim, but Gasol is not (to the misinformed mind).
So even though Dwight is a better shot alterer, he's not the best rim defender. That goes to Hibbert.
What you fail to realize is that Gasol and Hibbert allow lower % of the shots they defend from anywhere. Hibbert being better than Dwight in regards to close to the rim, but Gasol is not (to the misinformed mind).
So even though Dwight is a better shot alterer, he's not the best rim defender. That goes to Hibbert.
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