re: regulators mount up militias to take on LBM in nevada.

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Im pretty sure he said he would pay the state the money, just wouldnt pay the feds.

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I read that the other day. For a couple of years the guy sent checks to the county or local state officials who repeatedly told him that they were not the proper party to send the fees to, and they kept returning his checks with instructions to send them to BLM. The rancher refused to pay the grazing fees to BLM. Finally, after years of this guy running his herd on federal land without paying the fee, the BLM told him to get off and stop squatting. He refused so BLM started taking possession of cattle found grazing on federal land without rights to be there.

Now people want to arm themselves to fight the government which owns the land, on the side of a rancher who is basically squatting with his herd? People are nuts.

The way I understand it, this guy could still legally run his cattle on federal land but he refuses to do it legally.

Rancher is going to lose. Any militia who show up and take shots at government agents will go to prison.

Follow the money, oil that is..

Any oil guys know what all of the colored triangles, circles, and squares are?

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Here's the map showing the oil exploration conducted on the land where Bundy runs his cattle (all the red crosshairs are oil and gas exploration drilling operations):

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It is customary for the U.S. government to bring armed soldiers to an oil dispute. Heavily armed snipers, helicopters and militarized soldiers have never been invoked over tortoises.

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Does he own the property or not? Because if he doesn't, he needs to GTFO.

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He does not. His family once owned the grazing rights though. And he could still own grazing rights, but he refuses to pay the fee to the feds, instead has this bizarre claim that he will only pay the state of Nevada for the grazing rights.

From post on PT board...

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According to public records, the rights to work the Bunkerville allotment were purchased by Cliven Bundy's grandfather in 1887. These rights were in turn sold to Cliven's father, and in 1972 the rights were passed onto our current Mr. Bundy.

Now pay attention. This is very important: The agreement in place also included the rights to built in water systems, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

BLM stopped managing the land and were not using the fees that Bundy was originally paying for the management of it and this is also part of the reason he decided to stop paying the fees.

So BLM violated their side of the agreement with this rancher who filed complaints that they were not doing their jobs. Like most responsible people, he said "frick them" and did things himself. He improved the land and paid his taxes (not the grazing fees since BLM failed to meet their obligation).

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His family once owned the grazing rights though. And he could still own grazing rights, but he refuses to pay the fee to the feds,

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legally the feds have never had control of the grazing rights. The state does...

Nevadan Named BLM Chief

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CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) — (Neil Kornze) named director of the Bureau of Land Management.

Kornze .... is a former senior adviser to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

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Stolen from poli board

So, some dude watches a lot of Fox News, and therefore refuses to send his check to the right address. The government doesn't get paid and takes his cows, and this is some kind of big government plot to take his land? I'm pretty sure if I mail my truck payment to Krispy Kreme because I don't like the credit union they'll come take my truck and you'll all call me a fricking retard.

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does he not lose those rights when he stops paying the agreed upon fee?

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It's my understanding he stopped paying when the Fed changed the rules. It's basically his idea that the feds are trying to run all the ranchers off, and he may have a good point.

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The bureau does allow grazing on federal lands -- it administers 18,000 grazing permits and leases on 157 million acres across the country, the agency said.
Bundy's dispute with the government began about 1993 when the bureau changed grazing rules for the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area to protect an endangered desert tortoise, KLAS reported.
Bundy refused to abide by the changes and stopped paying his grazing fees to the federal bureau, which he contends is infringing on state rights. His family has been ranching since the 1800s, before the U.S. Department of Interior was created and endangered species became a federal issue, he said in an interview with KLAS.

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LINK

He's fighting a losing battle though, the feds are just too powerful.