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re: Todd McShay's New Mock Draft Has The Saints Taking.....
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:59 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:59 am to bonethug0108
I have to disdainfully, regrettably, and unfortunately sort of agree with lester here. I have a certain caveat though, weight has to be included into "size", not just height. Size is super important when it comes to draft position. If you are arguing between two cb's that are within a round of each other; talent is usually close to a wash or ambiguous (different conf's, diff opponents) so size plays a key role in differentiation. We've seen it time and time again, draft after draft where guys get overlooked bc of their size, bc potential is also a huge factor. How many FO's do you think just completely overlooked russel wilson bc he is 5'11", yet guys like Brandon Weeden got drafted way ahead of him bc they are a few inches taller and thus their ceiling is potentially higher. The draft is basically about grabbing whatever you can to differentiate players; that's why the 40yd dash, an almost completely irrelevant portrayal of speed which barely correlates to football speed, is glorified so much.
Yes, talent is more important but that's like saying having a driver in the seat is more important than a car's engine in a race.
That being said, the argument stemmed from verret and fuller right? I'd take fuller all day every day, bc he's bigger; both of the guys appear to be on an even plane as far as talent. Fuller is 2 inches taller and a little over 20lbs heavier while only running .11 seconds slower. One has their head in the sand if they don't think that makes a massive distinction. Fuller is going to have a much easier time tackling people in the NFL just bc he is bigger.
Would verret not be a much higher draft pick if he was 6'0" or 6'1"?
ETA: I'm really not sure if I'm agreeing with lester or disagreeing with Bone bc the argument is like one guy saying talent is more important than size, and the other guy is saying size is important.
Yes, talent is more important but that's like saying having a driver in the seat is more important than a car's engine in a race.
That being said, the argument stemmed from verret and fuller right? I'd take fuller all day every day, bc he's bigger; both of the guys appear to be on an even plane as far as talent. Fuller is 2 inches taller and a little over 20lbs heavier while only running .11 seconds slower. One has their head in the sand if they don't think that makes a massive distinction. Fuller is going to have a much easier time tackling people in the NFL just bc he is bigger.
Would verret not be a much higher draft pick if he was 6'0" or 6'1"?
ETA: I'm really not sure if I'm agreeing with lester or disagreeing with Bone bc the argument is like one guy saying talent is more important than size, and the other guy is saying size is important.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:11 am to Pendulum
the one thing that y'all are leaving out of this argument is the fact that a 5'10" guy is usually way more agile that I'm 6'4" guy
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:31 pm to Pendulum
quote:I've said that already. I don't disagree with the size thing when guys have similar ability.
If you are arguing between two cb's that are within a round of each other; talent is usually close to a wash or ambiguous (different conf's, diff opponents) so size plays a key role in differentiation
I disagree that size plays a bigger role than talent. I'm not talking about the examples of similar talent with a size difference having the taller guy go first. I'm taking about that 6'3" CB that has a 3-4th round grade vs. a 5'10" guy with a first round grade.
The similar talent with size being a differentiator is something I completely grasp and agree with.
quote:Bingo. My argument is that talent matters more than size and size is a small piece of the puzzle that really only factors in when talent is similar.
ETA: I'm really not sure if I'm agreeing with lester or disagreeing with Bone bc the argument is like one guy saying talent is more important than size, and the other guy is saying size is important.
Lester is taking that and turning it into something about me saying size doesn't matter at all, which I never said.
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