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Ammo Write Up: Liberty Civil Defense Ammo
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:19 pm
excellent write up..
full article on USCCA site
quote:
I headed to the range with my Shooting Chrony, a Metroarms American Classic 1911 .45 pistol, and a 25-pound block of moist modeling clay. Liberty Ammunition’s claims were not only met by my tests, they were exceeded!
Before running rounds across the chronograph, I fired a full magazine for accuracy testing. When you light off a Liberty Civil Defense round you are aware of it! Recoil is not bad—about what you would expect from a +P .45 load—but the blast was attention getting. At 20 feet, I was rewarded with a fist-sized group to the left of the point of aim. I compressed my left hand more tightly against my right, and fired more rounds. These landed dead center to my point of aim. The rounds functioned perfectly.
full article on USCCA site
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:24 pm to Biff Tannen
.45 @ 1900fps
78g
78g
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:35 pm to RATeamWannabe
quote:FIFY
Another overpriced gimmick
Posted on 3/29/14 at 6:00 pm to RATeamWannabe
so because something costs more it is a "gimmick" or "overpriced"?
can you really give me two reasons for this? or maybe you negafgts have no real reasons for dismissing new products..
can you really give me two reasons for this? or maybe you negafgts have no real reasons for dismissing new products..
Posted on 3/29/14 at 6:32 pm to Biff Tannen
Very limited application for ultra-light-for-caliber SD ammo. Like frangible ammo it's meant to be used where over penetration is a concern and you'll likely be using it at point-blank range. Just not a particular scenario I'd be concerned enough with to choose over more conventional and proven designs.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 10:51 pm to Biff Tannen
quote:
can you really give me two reasons for this? or maybe you negafgts have no real reasons for dismissing new products..
I can offer a few:
A. USCCA is hardly an authoritative source of information on defensive weapons or SD ammo.
B. "Moist modeling clay" is an asinine test medium, as evidenced by the fact that the rest of the free world uses 10% ordnance ballistic gelatin for testing the terminal ballistics of SD ammo.
C. The last ammo maker who used modeling clay as a test medium was RBCD, a spectacularly ineffective round in virtually all calibers.
D. I do not know of a single major US law enforcement agency that issues frangible ammo. They probably have a clue.
E. From another test site: "No, I would personally never carry this as a defensive load as it is incapable of meeting minimum penetration depths according to all of the testing I have seen."
F. The FBI test protocol requires a minimum of 12" penetration in 10% ballistic gelatin. The Liberty ammo doesn't come close to meeting that spec.
G. Doc GKR, who is generally accepted as the world's foremost authority on terminal ballistics of SD ammo tells us this: "With the exception of the Barnes 115 gr XPB all copper projectile, in general, most 9 mm 115 gr loads have demonstrated greater inconsistency, insufficient penetration, poor intermediate barrier capability, and failure to expand in denim testing than other 9mm bullets. For those individuals wanting to use lighter weight, supersonic 9 mm’s, I think a better alternative than the vast majority of 115 gr loads is to use the slightly heavier 124 to 127 gr bullets or the Barnes 115 gr all copper bullet”
Posted on 3/29/14 at 10:59 pm to Biff Tannen
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or maybe you negafgts
What you got against the gays man?
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