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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:35 pm to HempHead
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:35 pm to HempHead
quote:Yes but why is this even a question? How would we get the money from the original owner's pocket? The only way I can think of is to steal it ... and the government certainly wouldn't do that.
The crux of the matter is if the money involved in creating said jobs is a better use of capital than allowing to remain in the original owner's pocket.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:36 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Yes but why is this even a question? How would we get the money from the original owner's pocket? The only way I can think of is to steal it ... and the government certainly wouldn't do that.
Of course they wouldn't, that's why we pay taxes!
Posted on 3/28/14 at 3:27 am to Asgard Device
Yes. What's worse is when people believe it.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:47 am to Asgard Device
I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at, and many on this board aren't going to like it.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:43 am to ragincajun03
I cringe when our president claims "saved" jobs...... Does that count?
Posted on 3/28/14 at 7:19 am to Asgard Device
With Obamacare, who needs a job anymore? Jay Carney told me not to worry and go spend more time with my family.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 7:52 am to Asgard Device
Yes, and I also cringe when I hear somebody say "there ought to be a law..."
Posted on 3/28/14 at 7:57 am to Asgard Device
The U.S. government created every single job that has ever existed in this country.
All private sector jobs originated from land and resources conquered by the U.S. government.
All private sector jobs originated from land and resources conquered by the U.S. government.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 7:58 am to udtiger
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A true free market conservative does not subscribe to government created jobs
This is one reason why Obamacare is an Obamantion. Creating jobs by expanding government is not the solution for unemployment in a market economy. Basically you are transferring money from the private sector to the public sector where there is no productivity or competition.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 8:14 am to fleaux
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Posted by fleaux I cringe when our president claims "saved" jobs...... Does that count?
I've seen you in threads vehemently defending state government job creation programs, so, not really.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 8:23 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Yes, and I also cringe when I hear somebody say "there ought to be a law..."
Oooooh YEAH! That one gets me every time.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 8:26 am to son of arlo
Almost two pages and nobody's mentioned Lieawatha/Obama rants about how "You didn't build that."
Posted on 3/28/14 at 8:55 am to BigJim
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And most jobs "created" at the state and local level are really just jobs swiped from another state or locality. But in the case of Louisiana getting those jobs, screw those other states!
In this statement you see the justification these Jindalicans use for punishing other state businesses with tax burdens higher than necessary to do things like buying chicken plants, subsidizing filmmakers and building syrup mills.
Never do you hear an economist hired by LED or some industrial development advocacy group attempt to estimate the negative impact of taking taxes out of the economy to subsidize a particular industry of the day.
You will not find any LSU economist willing to take on his employer--the state of Lousiana--in regards to "negative" multiplier impacts of LED giveaways.
That said many LED programs do not take away from taxpayers. Programs like the Enterprise Zone credits and the jobs credits programs are funded with taxes the actual recipient creates. New taxes if you will. They are basically tax forgiveness programs not subsidies like the digital and film tax programs Big Jim so loves.
BigJim and those that think like him support picking and choosing winners in the state subsidy giveaway business.
If you are an existing business in Louisiana politicians want to tax you to take care of industries friendly to their political careers.
The proverbial snowball in hell has a better chance than do taxpayer advocates trying to end film subsidies as long as we have a governor running for some national post.
The film tax subsidies in Lousiana---by far the largest film industry subsidies in the country totally now over $1 billion of taxpayer money--are going to remain because Jindal does not want to fight with the media giants that ultimately benefit from them while he seeks to placate his political ambitions.
Government does not create jobs. We may steal a few jobs from other states occasionally but it is asinine to engage in such tit for tat crap with taxpayer money. (Who wants an industry that depends on bribes to remain in your state?)
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/28/14 at 9:05 am to Asgard Device
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I've seen you in threads vehemently defending state government job creation programs, so, not really.
Yep. I definitely knew what you were getting at, and many on here won't like it.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:14 am to Asgard Device
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Do conservatives ever cringe when government claims to have created jobs?
Cringe, for sure. Jobs with little or no productive accountability; if they ever served an axiom of productivity in the first place. More like cronyism and social engineering. Viability or real life merit be damned.
We could cut half and never miss em'.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:22 am to RCDfan1950
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Cringe, for sure. Jobs with little or no productive accountability; if they ever served an axiom of productivity in the first place. More like cronyism and social engineering. Viability or real life merit be damned. We could cut half and never miss em'.
I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying but usually politicians and government entities aren't talking about civil service employees when they claim to have created jobs.
Not sure why people think this thread is primarily about government workers.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:27 am to Asgard Device
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I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying but usually politicians and government entities aren't talking about civil service employees when they claim to have created jobs.
Not sure why people think this thread is primarily about government workers.
If you listen to Moret/Jindal every job added in Louisiana is a result of their actions.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 11:35 am to samson'sseed
Do not confuse facilitation with creation.
Mary went to the store and bought clay for the potter who created the vase. The potter created the vase, facilitated by Mary
Mary went to the store and bought clay for the potter who created the vase. The potter created the vase, facilitated by Mary
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:49 pm to Asgard Device
I cringe when the statement is made, as it usually is, as touting some great achievement when it is generally a net loss for taxpayers and just another increase in spending.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 1:01 pm to Asgard Device
No because as a conservative we realize the govt. doesn't create shite but bullshite. How many jobs were created in '09? How many of them existed in '10 after the census workers got pink slips? Name the sector to apply for a job with openings available nation wide The answer to that is the federal govt. especially in DC.
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