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re: Spinoff thread: What do you consider getting ripped off when buying a car?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:33 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:33 pm to Sophandros
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So denying predatory practices is "shitty" in your book.
you're using a term of art
i can flip it around
you deny a person a better option and make them rely on even more "predatory" practices, and you defend it
gotcha
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:34 pm to Hammertime
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Let's see......people lose money on investments all of the time.
When you buy a stock you don't buy it knowing that it's going to decrease in value.
But xxLSUxx has it right. We're talking about two different meanings of a word.
I just caution people from seeing their car as a traditional investment because it's not.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:36 pm to mouton
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Yeah, buying new is a pretty poor investment.
I dont know. I bought a new Taurus in 2012 that I love. I tend to keep cars a long time and got zero percent financing. That worked out well enough for me.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:39 pm to Sophandros
I guess I am using the logical definition of an investment then. I don't mind being criticized for being too logical.
Touche
Touche
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm just pointing out that your rigid "law" is very flawed. History has shown us the need for consumer protection laws.
Another example is requiring that the food and water that we eat and drink isn't poisoned. "Caveat Emptor" doesn't work too well when the buyer is dead and has no recourse. Such regulations literally protect the lives of the consumer.
Of course, you're going to try to argue that the market would take care of it, but the problem with that is that in the meantime, people get sick and/or die. For some of us (those of us who prefer to live in a civilized society), that's not acceptable.
Another example is requiring that the food and water that we eat and drink isn't poisoned. "Caveat Emptor" doesn't work too well when the buyer is dead and has no recourse. Such regulations literally protect the lives of the consumer.
Of course, you're going to try to argue that the market would take care of it, but the problem with that is that in the meantime, people get sick and/or die. For some of us (those of us who prefer to live in a civilized society), that's not acceptable.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:41 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:43 pm to Sophandros
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I'm just pointing out that your rigid "law" is very flawed. History has shown us the need for consumer protection laws.
only if you believe the vast majority of humanity shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions
i don't happen to have such a negative view of humanity and believe people should be free to make their own decisions
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but the problem with that is that in the meantime, people get sick and/or die.
the problem with this problem is that is assumes they don't in your preferred system
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For some of us (those of us who prefer to live in a civilized society)
a civilized society built around the idea that people are too dumb to make their own decisions
do you believe these people should be able to vote? should that decision count?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:44 pm to Sophandros
Are you a good tipper?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:44 pm to mouton
ohshit
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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only if you believe the vast majority of humanity shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions
i don't happen to have such a negative view of humanity and believe people should be free to make their own decisions
I'm realistic enough to recognize that not everyone is well intended, and that there are MANY dishonest and predatory people out there. Innocent people should be protected from them.
In a perfect world everyone would be able to make their own WELL INFORMED decisions.
The world isn't perfect. And you know that. Quit with the navel-gazing.
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a civilized society built around the idea that people are too dumb to make their own decisions
do you believe these people should be able to vote? should that decision count?
I've already addressed this attempt at redirection above.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:47 pm to mouton
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Are you a good tipper?
Yes, I am in fact. Did that thread get whacked yet?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:48 pm to xXLSUXx
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Everything you do is an investment.
You paid for something? Your money is now invested in that entity
This is incorrect. An investment is something you aquire with the thought it will provide additional wealth.
If I buy a car, boat, bike bc it brings me enjoyment, than I am not buying it as an investment.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:48 pm to Sophandros
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I'm realistic enough to recognize that not everyone is well intended, and that there are MANY dishonest and predatory people out there. Innocent people should be protected from them.
i'm not talking about fraud, here.
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In a perfect world everyone would be able to make their own WELL INFORMED decisions.
today there is no excuse. even poor people have smart phones these days. you can have almost any question answered within a minute
ignorance is no longer an excuse
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I've already addressed this attempt at redirection above.
this isn't a perfect world, and people make just as stupid decisions at the polls as they do when they buy furniture or cars
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:52 pm to jose canseco
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This is incorrect. An investment is something you aquire with the thought it will provide additional wealth.
If I buy a car, boat, bike bc it brings me enjoyment, than I am not buying it as an investment.
Keep reading rook.
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:56 pm to mouton
Getting something I don't want is a rip off. I buy the exact vehicle I want, that's the deal I'm looking for. I payed 1k over sticker fur my tacoma and asking price for my other car.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:11 pm to jose canseco
It's okay you can't see further than what Chapter 3 in your ECON 2030 book shows you. Evidently the concept is over your head.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:57 pm to jose canseco
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This is incorrect. An investment is something you aquire with the thought it will provide additional wealth.
If I buy a car, boat, bike bc it brings me enjoyment, than I am not buying it as an investment
Holy shite there is a lot of dumb in this thread. Investment can be used in many different contexts.
If you "invest" time in a woman to get laid are you doing it to acquire wealth? Seems like a poor strategy to get rich. (sugar mommas the exception here.)
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:00 pm to Hammertime
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Let's see......people lose money on investments all of the time. Would you rather lose more money or less money? That's right, invest in something that won't cost you more money while you own it, and will give you the most ROI when you sell it. Investments don't gain value 100% of the time.
perfectly said. every vehicle i buy i make a profit or loose less than 10 percent when i sell it.
every time i buy a vehicle i get it for the lowest i possibly can so i can still sell it for a decent price when i get rid of it.
but if you buy brand new your a retard thats for sure. since you are guaranteed to loose money on the car 100%.
also to address the real question i only buy used vehicles and only from craigslist or a facebook groups. and id rather buy a vehicle with a problem so i can get it really cheap and really come out ahead.
last car i bought i paid 3k for a 2007 honda accord 4dr. it was wrecked in the pass side and cost about 1k to make it brand new again.
so lets see i spend 4k and in the shape its in now it kbb's for 10k yea thats an investment for sure.
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:08 pm to brbowhunter
I bought my truck for $27k three years ago. It is worth $24k now. Discounting the fact that I have put in close to $20k in repairs, it was a solid investment
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:17 pm to brbowhunter
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loose
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your a retard
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retard
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guaranteed
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loose
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your a retard
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