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re: The Medal of Honor is a participation trophy now
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:44 am to C
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:44 am to C
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The Department of Defense review of Medal of Honor winners was ordered by Congress in 2002 and was intended as an inquiry into prejudice against Jews and Hispanics, but was later broadened to include all veterans whose actions merited the medal.
I can respect that, as it may not have started out right, but ended in the right spirit of things. Where is that from? The article says this...
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The honors are being awarded after Congress ordered a review to determine whether service members of Jewish or Hispanic heritage or others had been wrongly denied the Medal of Honor due to prejudice.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 7:45 am
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:46 am to Mike da Tigah
a picture tells a thousand words...
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:48 am to C
LINK /
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On Mar. 18, 2014, President Barack Obama presented 24 Army veterans with the Medal of Honor in one of the largest Medal of Honor ceremonies in history. Each of these Soldiers’ bravery was previously recognized by award of the Distinguished Service Cross, the nation’s second highest award; that award was upgraded to the Medal of Honor. Congressional review and the 2002 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) prompted a review of Jewish American and Hispanic American veteran war records from WWII, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. During the review, records of several Soldiers of neither Jewish nor Hispanic descent were found to display criteria worthy of the Medal of Honor. The 2002 NDAA was amended to allow these Soldiers to be honored with the upgrade - in addition to the Jewish and Hispanic American Soldiers. The White House ceremony on Mar. 18 will recognized these 24 men for their gallantry, intrepidity and heroism above and beyond the call of duty. The United States Army is proud of these Soldiers and glad to see their professionalism, service and sacrifice being recognized again - in full view of a new generation.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 7:48 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:48 am to C
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a picture tells a thousand words...
Who is that?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:50 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
I didn't read this entire thread but I think you are missing the point. No one is saying that these men didn't do some heroic things. But to go back and choose to upgrade the decoration not based on an actual review of what happened but based on "minority" status is nothing but political pandering. And the idea that one has to serve before you can question anything having to do with this process is nothing more than a diversion - attack the writer because he "lacks credentials" that you yourself decide are necessary - but don't you dare question the reason for the administration for doing this.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:01 am to C
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Sergeant Ardie Copas
So, why was he overlooked? Every single one of those who received it appear to be either black, Hispanic, or Jewish. And I don't have a problem with that, but I still don't see a search based on anything but race, AND FURTHERMORE, I still don't see where this search was broadened to include ALL servicemen regardless of skin color or ethnicity from your quote earlier that I would really like to have a link to to clear this up.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:03 am to Mike da Tigah
I bolded the text and linked it above.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:04 am to dinosaur
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- but don't you dare question the reason for the administration for doing this.
The administration didn't do this. Read a little more into who did this and when.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:08 am to Mike da Tigah
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So, why was he overlooked?
Just to clear it up, it's not that these people haven't been recognized. It's just that their actions are more in line with an MOH award than what they had previously been awarded. Today this mostly happens due to poor understanding by the persons immediate leadership. As in SFC Cashe's case, his commanders were fighting actual battles daily and didn't stop to really ponder level of heroism this soldier displayed. I hope that gets fixed soon because he deserves it.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:13 am to C
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I bolded the text and linked it above.
I was referring to your earlier post at the top of this page.
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During the review, records of several Soldiers of neither Jewish nor Hispanic descent were found to display criteria worthy of the Medal of Honor. The 2002 NDAA was amended to allow these Soldiers to be honored with the upgrade - in addition to the Jewish and Hispanic American Soldiers.
It sounds like it was more of something they just stumbled upon in the middle of their quest to uncover racial prejudice.
In other words, Instead of a real change in direction from soldiers being overlooked based on their race, I still don't see where it changed to a search for all service members being overlooked regardless of the circumstances that caused them to be overlooked.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:37 am to asurob1
So many internet badasses exposing themselves as "emotion over logic" double thinkers in this thread. 
look at all the butt hurt.
look at all the butt hurt.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:45 am to blueboy
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Dipshit, white people will kill each other over soccer. Do you really think we all got together and came up with a system of "code words" for racism?
Sure we did - at the white people meetings we have behind Wal-Mart every Tuesday evening. The code words are usually after the rants about Obama and before we plot the next successful black man's downfall (i.e. O.J., Michael Jackson).
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:22 am to Ace Midnight
Chesty Puller - 5 Navy Crosses. Never awarded the MOH.
David Hackworth - 2 DSCs. 10 Silver Stars. Never awarded the MOH.
In both instances, these gentlemen were denied the MOH because of their outspokenness, which created a lot of enemies for them. In short, politics denied them both the MOH, despite the fact that they were both awarded their country's SECOND AND THIRD highest honor MULTIPLE TIMES.
Where is the review for these gentlemen?
David Hackworth - 2 DSCs. 10 Silver Stars. Never awarded the MOH.
In both instances, these gentlemen were denied the MOH because of their outspokenness, which created a lot of enemies for them. In short, politics denied them both the MOH, despite the fact that they were both awarded their country's SECOND AND THIRD highest honor MULTIPLE TIMES.
Where is the review for these gentlemen?
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:30 am to blueboy
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The Medal of Honor is a participation trophy now
I can agree that this is racial grandstand and there was no need for this, but you should change your title considering what the experiences of the new recipients. It demeans their sacrifices...I don't think they just "participated".
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:52 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:I've made no such argument. And hold no such belief.
If you want to argue race played no part in these men not receiving MoH back in the day, thats fine.
The idea that one can un-ring a bell is stupidity. These awards are more about assuaging the guilt some hold for past racism they didn't even participate in than honoring the recipients. The CMH doesn't exist to make us feel better about ourselves. It exist to honor others.
quote:why so? The simple argument is that race shouldn't be part of the criteria for awarding the CMH. Then or now. What part of that do you disagree with?
But if you accept the premise that race played a part in some of these vets not being awarded a MoH, arguing that trying to address these past injustices is just another similar heinous act of racism is asinine
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:56 am to Taxing Authority
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The simple argument is that race shouldn't be part of the criteria for awarding the CMH
It wasn't in this review. The people that were awarded weren't awarded to meet a quota if that's what you're implying.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:58 am to C
quote:how many WASPs were included in the reviews?
It wasn't in this review.
quote:It isn't. What I'm saying is that there are many people that deserved the CMH. But if seemingly WASPs wee not eligible in this review.
The people that were awarded weren't awarded to meet a quota if that's what you're implying.
It's never been a fair process to receive it. Lots of people (from all races) could get the award on review. Why be selective based on race? Now or then?
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:56 am to Taxing Authority
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how many WASPs were included in the reviews?
I found at least one and many of the "Hispanics" look more anglo than native central American.
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Lots of people (from all races) could get the award on review.
So I don't know what kicked off this review in 2002, but maybe it was because someone had noticed that many Jewish and Hispanic DSC awardees seemed to be more deserving of a MOH. As in this group had a higher number of DSC recipients that deserved an MOH that other racial backgrounds that received a DSC. I have zero clue (or faith really) if that's true but I would hope it is. So from an efficiency stand-point, it made reason to look at this group. And it's not like this is a quick process. It's been 12 years and only 24 people were re-awarded.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:39 am to C
I saw one who was a 73 yr old AA and Green Beret. He said that the only color he and his Soldier brothers saw were green. AAnd this man, Deserves to be Honored! I cant remeber his name, but his story was Awesom. He is a true American Hero.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 11:40 am
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