re: Is war with Russia inevitable at this point?

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Maybe I'll get drafted

That would be cool

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You do not want to see what war is, I can promise you that.

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I'm referring to the 80k Americans that have been killed in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc - places we had no business being. And don't play the "OMG PUSSY LIBERAL" card on me, because I'm not.

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But none of them "whipped" our arse. In fact none of them militarily defeated us in the field, period. Even in the Vietnam war, we forced the North to sign the Paris Peace Accords of 1973 ending the North's invasion of the South. Only two years later did the North invade again and this time (thanks to Dems in congress blocking any funds to help the South) the US stood by and let the South die. But make no mistake, nobody whipped our arse.

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But none of them "whipped" our arse. In fact none of them militarily defeated us in the field, period. Even in the Vietnam war, we forced the North to sign the Paris Peace Accords of 1973 ending the North's invasion of the South. Only two years later did the North invade again and this time (thanks to Dems in congress blocking any funds to help the South) the US stood by and let the South die. But make no mistake, nobody whipped our arse.

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They get their history from the moobies.

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I didn't. There are problems with being an isolationist nation nowadays though. As stated earlier, too much is interconnected.

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Oh I agree - take for example how the Russian government turned around and exposed how some of our government has investments and assets in Russia that have been frozen.

Hate to tell you this but the world's powers were even more connected both economically and politically in the summer of 1914 than they are today. Hell, the monarchs of Germany, Great Britain, and Russia were literally first cousins who had grown up vacationing together.




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One interesting tidbit, at the outbreak of WWI the British army was woefully short of supply of binoculars for it's officers. At that time virtually all binoculars were produced by Germany (Ziess to be precises). Well the Brits could not every well order them from Germany seeing how they were at war. so in order to get the binos, they had to hire a Swiss intermediary to secure what they needed. Thus throughout the war, officers on both sides for the most part carried the same binos.

I'm not saying this will lead to a major war. But something in Europe will sometime in the near future (couple of decades).

Europe has always been the cause of huge wars and they're extremely over-due for one.

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And is what you get when you meddle in the internal affairs of sovereign foreign entities.

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Meddle, like say incite an uprising that overthrows a democratically elected leader and then marshal troops on the border of said country to occupy and repatriate its people without the consent of the sovereign?

Who exactly do you think is the country that is meddling?

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You do not want to see what war is, I can promise you that.

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Everyone needs to watch Lone Survivor and get back to this thread. It's a great example of how war will be hell on Earth for any participant.

The Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in WW2 Europe, President Dwight Eisenhower, became very anti-war after the conclusion of WW2. He's quoted as saying that preventive war was an invention of hitler's and wouldn't entertain anybody advocating such a concept. He's also the one who warned us about the military industrial complex and we've ignored his warnings in the worst way possible.

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In no fricking way do I want any more war and our troops lives in harms way once more. This thought should not even be entertained until we're forced to cross that bridge.

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I think most everyone feels the same way. I know I do, and we can't afford a war of that magnitude, or any war for that matter, but even more than that, we absolutely cannot afford for Russia to recapture their former countries they held in the Soviet Union captured during and immediately after WWII, and bring this world to war once more. That's far worse in magnitude and lives lost, and yet it's not something we don't have multiple patterns to draw from that end up lining up at the same place every time.

In order to prevent that war, the US and Europe needs to lay down an ultimatum that will not be acceptable in conquering any more territory and now. If Putin thinks he has a free hand to take more, he will, and will make up the excuses on the fly, and we who seek to be at peace will rationalize it also, because we don't want to have a war. That is the exact same mentality that began WWII, which is why the parallels fit so well.