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re: New group enters fray on future of EBR school system. Seeks new legislation.

Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:40 am to
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This is the MAPP guy, right?


Is this group promoting the new idea of quartering the district?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:48 am to
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That simply isn't true. The Federal Mandate only dealt with student enrollment numbers. It has nothing to do with the micromanagement of schools, administrative structure of the board, etc.

That's a cop-out.

WTF are you talking about??

Where students went to school and the resources allocated at each school absolutely had to be approved by the judge handling the lawsuit. That was the whole issue of the deseg suit and what created forced busing in EBR. ETA: The forced busing is what drove white kids out of public schools into private schools in EBR. And that is what destroyed the EBR school system.

Who gives a f*ck if the board could order blue pencils rather than yellow pencils? Or, if the school board had 3 committees rather than 4?

If that is your idea of the school board having local control, then I can't help you.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 10:53 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:49 am to
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Is this group promoting the new idea of quartering the district?


Did you read the link to the newspaper article I provided in the OP? That's all the information available at this point.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48357 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:53 am to
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Where students went to school and the resources allocated at each school absolutely had to be approved by the judge handling the lawsuit.


Which is separate from the micromanagement of schools and administrative structure, among other areas of management.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:54 am to
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Which is separate from the micromanagement of schools and administrative structure, among other areas of management.
Your statement is irrelevant to the point of what destroyed the EBR school system. The fed government was running the school system in the areas that mattered to parents keeping their kids in the public school system.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48357 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:57 am to
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Did you read the link to the newspaper article I provided in the OP?


Yes. Hence why I was asking if anyone knew any further detail.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 10:59 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48357 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:58 am to
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Your statement is irrelevant to the point of what destroyed the EBR school system.


I didn't deny that deseg had a huge impact on the destruction of the system. But the Board is not absolved from blame for four decades of incompetence simply because of the deseg order. There have been numerous issues with EBR's schools that don't stem from deseg.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:58 am to
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if anyone new any further detail.
Nothing new nor old.....
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:59 am to
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There have been numerous issues with EBR's schools that don't stem from deseg.

Name three.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48357 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:04 am to
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Name three.


1) Ineffective teacher promotion/tenure process
2) Substandard gifted/magnet program
3) Improper oversight of independent school administration teams
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36534 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:07 am to
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Name three.


I can't name any, I agree with you here Russian.

Desegregation and the results of the desegregation lawsuit; have affected everything in the system since the Judge took over the schools.

I also agree with you that it was a great day that the system got back total control.

I also believe it will be a great day if the system ever becomes a good system (A B average).

We just disagree on a SG school system.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:10 am to
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1) Ineffective teacher promotion/tenure process

How does the EBR teacher promotion process differ from any other school district in Louisiana? The same for the state-law required protections for long-term teachers?
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2) Substandard gifted/magnet program
That's laughable. There is a waiting list for both the magnet and GT programs. Both of those programs are highly successful, unless you believe BRMHS and McKinley HS are failing to educate the magnet and GT students attending them.
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3) Improper oversight of independent school administration teams
I have zero idea what you are referring to here. What independent administration teams are you referring to?
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 11:11 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36534 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:11 am to
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) Ineffective teacher promotion/tenure process


The deseg suit led to many poor teachers and principals entering the system.

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2) Substandard gifted/magnet program


I think our magnet system is a direct result of the Feds and is a very good system. It may be too small now, but it's a plus.

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3) Improper oversight of independent school administration teams


I don't know enough to comment on this.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:59 am to
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I googled and couldn't find anything on that. Can you?


I don't think it was reported on, but it's in the judicial system. Appears to have been a technicality.

LINK
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:02 pm to
Thanks, but I ain't reading all that. Cliff Notes?
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14541 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:04 pm to
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Is this group promoting the new idea of quartering the district?



Technically, I think it is different. BRAC is pushing the 'new' local control idea. That seems to be different than the 'old' quartering idea that Bodi White is pushing; which is different than the St. George independent school district push.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:25 pm to
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BRAC is pushing the 'new' local control idea.
The new group proposing new legislation is not affiliated with BRAC.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48357 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:38 pm to
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It may be too small now.


It's absolutely too small and it sucks a considerable amount of resources in comparison to other schools so its a doubled edged sword.

Yes, BRHS and the three magnet elementary schools are great schools, but they exist to the detriment of other local schools and do not have enough to space to accommodate all qualified students.


Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127260 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:48 pm to
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BRHS and the three magnet elementary schools are great schools,.....and do not have enough to space to accommodate all qualified students.
From today's Advocate
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The East Baton Rouge Parish School Board discussed the need Monday to expand its magnet, gifted and talented, and especially its pre-kindergarten programs, but came up empty when talk turned to where the district would find the funding and space for such an expansion.

Taylor hinted that a new tax might be the ultimate solution.
So I assume you would vote in favor of a new tax to expand the GT and magnet programs in EBR???
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48357 posts
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:50 pm to
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So I assume you would vote in favor of a new tax to expand the GT and magnet programs in EBR???


Nope.

I'm in favor of dismantling the EBR School Board and moving to smaller, independent school districts.
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