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re: Boehner being Boehner
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:06 pm to BigJim
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:06 pm to BigJim
quote:
Yes, let's shut down the government, accomplish nothing, and toss away the chance to take the Senate.
That is a much better plan.
What good is the GOP taking the senate if the same old leadership, career politicians and RINOs are still there?
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:09 pm to goldennugget
The man is a fricking coward... He doesn't stand for anything.
I swore off voting for a Republican at anything less than the Presidential level 2yrs ago after he caved to Obama after puffing out his chest. The last 2 years of Republican backing of the man has only strengthened my conviction
I swore off voting for a Republican at anything less than the Presidential level 2yrs ago after he caved to Obama after puffing out his chest. The last 2 years of Republican backing of the man has only strengthened my conviction
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:10 pm to goldennugget
Under the current GOP house, we have gotten tax increases, multiple debt ceiling increases, budgets that increase spending, omnibus spending bills, corporate welfare farm bills, all pushed over the finish line by Republicans.
Also no serious effort at defunding or repealing Obamacare, and now they are talking amnesty.
But don't worry, we have to hold our nose and accept all the crap sandwiches, so this same group can take the senate, and when they do so, THEN they will fight for conservative principles and limited government
Also no serious effort at defunding or repealing Obamacare, and now they are talking amnesty.
But don't worry, we have to hold our nose and accept all the crap sandwiches, so this same group can take the senate, and when they do so, THEN they will fight for conservative principles and limited government
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:56 pm to goldennugget
quote:
What good is the GOP taking the senate if the same old leadership, career politicians and RINOs are still there?
One of the reasons I like about conservatives is our (usual) ability to notice unintended consquences: from raising taxes hurting the economy to welfare programs causing dependence.
But somehow a large chunk of conservatives cannot even see the unintended consequences of their own actions.
Let's play through this shall we?
1. Boehner insists on some additional measure as part of the debt ceiling being raised.
2. The Senate and Obama say "screw you."
3. Republicans get blamed. Hurts future electoral chances.
4. Republicans cave. Caving makes them look week, hurts electoral chances even more.
End of the day, whatever it is we are fighting for doesn't happen, and Rs take it on the chin. If you cannot win the game, DON'T PLAY IT!
But wait, your fantasy-addled mind thinks- "what if we never ever ever cave!" It never happens. No shutdown has worked out for the repubs.
"But that's because they cave!" So what? Shut down government until they 2014 midterm? Then Rs lose the house and Obama can essentially do what he wants. But at least the 40-50 republicans left will be super-duper ideologically pure! That will solve everything!!!!!!
Pick your battles. Repubs can't win this one. They can will the election. That means they will have more leverage to choose even more battles in the future, not the least of which would be senate confirmations like the supreme court.
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