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re: Bitstamp Halts Withdrawls

Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:25 am to
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:25 am to
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Most businesses that accept bitcoins, immediately receive those bitcoins and convert to cash, right? I could be wrong on that. But if I am correct, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?


Yes, they typically convert to cash. BitPay and Coinbase both offer these services, they also give the merchant an option to keep a set percent in bitcoin as well if they so choose.

I don't believe it defeats the purpose at all. The problem is that most people think of bitcoin as a currency first. But really bitcoin is a transaction ledger with its own network. The "bitcoins" are just chits on the network that are used to track the movement of value. At its core, bitcoin is a revolutionary value transmission network. This is the true greatness of bitcoin that unfortunately gets ignored. So, a merchant can use bitcoin as a transaction network for much cheaper than the traditional transaction networks (Visa, MC, PayPal, cash, etc.)

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If a business does receive bitcoin and immediately transfer it to cash, where does that bitcoin go? Back to the mining pool, or do they transfer it to someone who buys it?


BitPay and Coinbase sell those coins on various exchanges at the time of sale. So basically, it's just other people that are buying them.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65060 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:27 am to
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The problem is that most people think of bitcoin as a currency first.


I disagree. I think they see it as a way to speculate.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:28 am to
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So, a merchant can use bitcoin as a transaction network for much cheaper than the traditional transaction networks (Visa, MC, PayPal, cash, etc.)


Much cheaper because of the low volume.... Or what data do you have to suggest that the bitcoin network could handle the amount of transactions Mastercard deals with "daily" for less.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:28 am
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:33 am to
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The problem is that most people think of bitcoin as a currency first.


That's what it is right? A crypto-currency?

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But really bitcoin is a transaction ledger with its own network. The "bitcoins" are just chits on the network that are used to track the movement of value. At its core, bitcoin is a revolutionary value transmission network. This is the true greatness of bitcoin that unfortunately gets ignored.


That's where I, and most of the common folk get lost.

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So, a merchant can use bitcoin as a transaction network for much cheaper than the traditional transaction networks (Visa, MC, PayPal, cash, etc.)


Then why are more not doing it?

Also, the other day on the OT, a guy used a poor example, IMO, of how he used bitcoin and did it with ease. Went to gyft.com(sp?), bought an amazon gift card, then went to amazon and made his purchase. What would make the everyday consumer attracted to that?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127054 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:36 am to
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most people think of bitcoin as a currency first.
I thought that was the purpose of bitcoin...to be a digital currency not issued by fiat. So if "most people think of bitcoin as a currency first" how can that be a "problem"??

Your inconsistency cracks me up.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:18 am to
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But really bitcoin is a transaction ledger with its own network. The "bitcoins" are just chits on the network that are used to track the movement of value. At its core, bitcoin is a revolutionary value transmission network.
So now you are saying Bitcoin is really just an innovative accounting system. Except for one problem, what about all of the off-the-books transactions? Off-the-books transactions allow for all sorts of manipulation. Remember Enron with its off balance sheet entities?
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