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Sports Masculinity and Sexual Orientation
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:23 pm
I apologize if this is a topic more suited for the Political Talk Board, I was curious if anybody had any opinion about the correlation between masculinity and hetero-normative orientation with regards to sports?
From my experience in high school, I was always curious about the stereotype that a gay male didn't have the masculine traits to be successful in athletics.
If you took a random sample from my high school class, I would expect to find just as many sensitive, nonathletic straight guys as sensitive, nonathletic gay guys. By the same token, I expect you would have found just as many aggressive, athletic gay guys and aggressive, athletic straight guys.
I know we had one gay guy who wanted to try out for the football team, but the reaction was very negative and he ultimately backed down. Does anybody else remember something like this happening at your high school?
From my experience in high school, I was always curious about the stereotype that a gay male didn't have the masculine traits to be successful in athletics.
If you took a random sample from my high school class, I would expect to find just as many sensitive, nonathletic straight guys as sensitive, nonathletic gay guys. By the same token, I expect you would have found just as many aggressive, athletic gay guys and aggressive, athletic straight guys.
I know we had one gay guy who wanted to try out for the football team, but the reaction was very negative and he ultimately backed down. Does anybody else remember something like this happening at your high school?
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 5:25 pm
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:29 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
Dear God,
Make it stop please.
Thanks,
Srbtiger
Make it stop please.
Thanks,
Srbtiger
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:32 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
Are you telling me people aren't all stereotypes?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:32 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
quote:
If you took a random sample from my high school class, I would expect to find just as many sensitive, nonathletic straight guys as sensitive, nonathletic gay guys. By the same token, I expect you would have found just as many aggressive, athletic gay guys and aggressive, athletic straight guys.
No way in hell
Wanna know why? Because only 1.5% of the population is gay based on google searches
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:35 pm to jg8623
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No way in hell
Wanna know why? Because only 1.5% of the population is gay based on google searches
Obviously controlling for population.
Let's put it another way, the proportion of straight students exhibiting stereotypical masculine traits is the same as gay students exhibiting stereotypical masculine traits.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:39 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
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Let's put it another way, the proportion of straight students exhibiting stereotypical masculine traits is the same as gay students exhibiting stereotypical masculine traits.
I went to an all guy school with 230 guys in my class. Of the top of my head I'll say we had 40 athletic, masculine guys who played on the football team. So your sayings half of them were gay?? Or we had 40 other guys like them that were gay?
Or are you saying that out of the gay people, 1 out of 6 would be athletic and masculine?
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:42 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
A few more threads on the topic should settle it.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:42 pm to jg8623
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I'm not really seeing your point nor do I see how it could mathematically make any sense
I'm referring to proportions of the overall straight and gay population. Independent of the size of the population, I would expect that you would find the same proportion of masculine straight men and masculine gay men. Let's just throw out a number: 60 percent of the straight guys were aggressive and athletic, and 60 percent of the gay guys were aggressive and athletic.
Obviously you have to control for population size since the number of openly gay guys in high school is small compared to the total high school population. It was just my perception that neither the straight nor the gay population had a monopoly on "masculinity."
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:44 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
I gotcha, yea I could see that being the case
Posted on 2/10/14 at 6:00 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
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the correlation between masculinity and hetero-normative orientation with regards to sports
Sounds like a topic for a thesis.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 6:32 pm to jg8623
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If you took a random sample from my high school class, I would expect to find just as many sensitive, nonathletic straight guys as sensitive, nonathletic gay guys. By the same token, I expect you would have found just as many aggressive, athletic gay guys and aggressive, athletic straight guys.
No way in hell
Wanna know why? Because only 1.5% of the population is gay based on google searches
Its higher than 1.5%, but kinsey's 10% number is probably too high (although it has stood up to some scrutiny).
I know plenty of gay men who are quite masculine.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 7:05 pm to Hawkeye95
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Its higher than 1.5%,
Not really.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 7:29 pm to Hawkeye95
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Its higher than 1.5%, but kinsey's 10% number is probably too high
It may be a bit higher than 1.5%, but no way it's close to 10%
Posted on 2/10/14 at 7:45 pm to LSUFOREVERAMEN
He probably would have been taken somewhere and never heard from again. It was rough in the 70's. 
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