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Regarding "Job Lock" and the Benefits of the ACA
Posted on 2/9/14 at 9:54 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 9:54 am
Why wasn't this issue raised when the CBO projected the loss of 800k jobs, but it's now the official mantra from the left now that the CBO projects some 2.3M jobs lost?
Are people so stupid not to realize this is a concerted effort to cover the collective liberal arse?
Are people so stupid not to realize this is a concerted effort to cover the collective liberal arse?
Posted on 2/9/14 at 9:57 am to RedStickBR
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Are people so stupid not to realize this is a concerted effort to cover the collective liberal arse?
hope that is a rhetorical question because you know as well as I do that there are millions upon millions of them
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:00 am to RedStickBR
"Where are the jobs Mr President? Oh sorry. That's so 2004-ish."
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:07 am to gthog61
It's actually a serious question. Take someone like Vegas Bengal: do they really believe this crap, or are they simply content with being dishonest to the nth degree?
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:14 am to RedStickBR
The freedom to pursue non employed personal fulfillment is an unforeseen benefit of ACA.
Obama and his vision is so freakin awesome that even he can't account for all the benefits his wisdom provides us schmucks. .
Obama and his vision is so freakin awesome that even he can't account for all the benefits his wisdom provides us schmucks. .
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:15 am to RedStickBR
I know a lot of people who would love to leave their jobs to spend more time with their families..What happens when they all quit, or work less, and there isn't any money coming in to the Gov't? Can the Gov't be this dumb? I know they are about just buying votes, but there is an END-game...
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:15 am to RedStickBR
I've done some reading on this.
The liberal writers claim the loss of 2.5 million jobs is a wonderful thing because these 2.5 million people will voluntarily leave their jobs because they won't have to rely on their jobs for healthcare.
Here is an example from some Harvard economist in USA Today:
My question is fairly obvious.
Who foots the bill for these people that enjoy this wonderful freedom provided by Obamacare?
The liberal writers claim the loss of 2.5 million jobs is a wonderful thing because these 2.5 million people will voluntarily leave their jobs because they won't have to rely on their jobs for healthcare.
Here is an example from some Harvard economist in USA Today:
quote:
The increased flexibility in being able to work part-time or full-time comes just as baby-boomers are retiring. By 2024, many will be in need of assistance from their families, especially their children. Making it possible for more people in their 50s and early 60s to reduce their hours of work so they can provide help to aging parents has the potential for reducing public spending for long-term care for the elderly.
My question is fairly obvious.
Who foots the bill for these people that enjoy this wonderful freedom provided by Obamacare?
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:21 am to Scoop
LATimes:
See? It's wonderful.
quote:
Relieved of the U.S. healthcare system's merciless link between employment and health insurance, more Americans will leave their jobs. They'll "choose to supply less labor" by working fewer hours or taking early retirement. To put it in the Heritage Foundation's vocabulary, many will "leave the workforce to raise a family or retire early." Until now, that meant losing health insurance. No longer.
See? It's wonderful.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:25 am to Scoop
If you wanted to keep the health insurance offered at your job but didn't want to be job locked, there was already COBRA, which was probably cheaper than the exchanges.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:25 am to Scoop
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Who foots the bill for these people that enjoy this wonderful freedom provided by Obamacare?
#waronyouth
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:27 am to RedStickBR
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Why wasn't this issue raised when the CBO projected the loss of 800k jobs, but it's now the official mantra from the left now that the CBO projects some 2.3M jobs lost?
Are people so stupid not to realize this is a concerted effort to cover the collective liberal arse?
First, I don't think people are as stupid as some of us might think; they are simply ignorant of the information we consider of value. Many of the so called stupid people are masters at finding the path of least resistance and gaming the system.
Second, even though most Americans still identify themselves as being largely conservative, there is obviously a strong liberal progressive movement/trend in our nation that to a large extent is forwarded by most forms of media and education controlled by liberals.
Therein lies your answer. On the one hand you have a significant sector, the 47%, who don't pay income taxes and could care less about the jobs numbers or the economy in general as long as they can maintain their dependency and get their side perks and then you have the rest who for the most part hear one slanted side of the story from biased liberals with an agenda.
Bottom line, conservatism is in decline for several reasons:
1. Conservative social policies are perceived as archaic and anti-freedom.
2. Even though conservative economic principles have proven more sound, liberal control of education and communication media control a narrative that has successfully blamed conservatives for our economic problems through a class/race warfare strategy.
3. While liberals have done a good job of uniting various factions under the Democrat banner, conservatives/Rhinos have ongoing infighting within the Republican Party.
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:31 am to Scoop
Of course, while there may be some people who can now leave their jobs and maintain insurance when they couldn't before, the majority of this 2.3M are ones who will now substitute greater benefits for earned income, in similar fashion to that depicted by the chart Taxing Authority posted yesterday:
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:33 am to RedStickBR
Regarding who will fund it, well, those dark blue bars on the right will need to keep coming down which, of course, will cause disproportionate harm to the middle class.
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:46 am to RedStickBR
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or are they simply content with being dishonest to the nth degree?
Dishonesty is not some coincidental by-product of Liberalism, it is an ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENT.
This does not mean that liberals lack the capacity to be Truthful. It just means that to be a Liberal Fundamentalist one has to cross the philosophical and behavioral "Rubicon" on Truth. They Lie in the service of their Noble Idea, and do so with no hesitation or regret.
Liberalism could not exist if objective Truth were a requirement.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:52 am to Lsupimp
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Liberalism could not exist if objective Truth were a requirement.
It would be like introducing sunlight to a vampire.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:53 am to RedStickBR
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Of course, while there may be some people who can now leave their jobs and maintain insurance when they couldn't before, the majority of this 2.3M are ones who will now substitute greater benefits for earned income, in similar fashion to that depicted by the chart Taxing Authority posted yesterday:
This is part of the new norm by design. Liberal progressives are smarter than we think. It's all about placating the masses and liberals getting credit for perceived improvements. They fully understand that their policies have created a negative jobs situation so their answer is to create a new norm in which fewer jobs are required and the jobless or underemployed are kept under control (not rioting) through government dependency. Pelosi's better quality of life for people not having to work and writing poetry, whatever is part of the new world order which eliminates psychological guilt for people who do not work and are government dependents. It's a brilliant concept that actually elevates the unproductive to the highest status in society.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:32 am to CC
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If you wanted to keep the health insurance offered at your job but didn't want to be job locked, there was already COBRA, which was probably cheaper than the exchanges.
And what do you do when COBRA runs out in 18 months and you're still five years away from Medicare?
Posted on 2/9/14 at 1:05 pm to RedStickBR
Since the CBO report came out I've read 9 different left wing columnists writing about it. From Paul Krugman to Froma Harrop. They all took identical positions:
"Now people have the freedom to opt not to work or work fewer hours. It's liberating. It's not bad news from the CBO...it's good news."
Some of the columns were eerily similar in wording. It looks as though they got a WH memo, did a cut and paste and then changed a few sentences.
"Now people have the freedom to opt not to work or work fewer hours. It's liberating. It's not bad news from the CBO...it's good news."
Some of the columns were eerily similar in wording. It looks as though they got a WH memo, did a cut and paste and then changed a few sentences.
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