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Why do we continue to do business with Pakistan?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:47 pm
Pakistan is without question our worst ally. The government and people of that country would willingly slit our throats in the night if they could get away with it. Any intelligence we give them, you can just about be assured that they're giving it to our enemies.
Honestly, after the Osama incident, we should have shut down relations and trade with them completely. Osama was living in their version of West Point and on the same fricking street as their version of General Petreius. There is no fricking way they didn't know he was hiding out there. There is a reason why Obama didn't choose to tell the Pakistanis about taking Osama Bin Laden, since they would have likely tipped him off. If Obama had any balls, instead of sucking Pakistani balls when they killed Osama, he would have told them to go frick themselves and good luck feeding their poor when the next quake comes around.
I really don't see any reason why we haven't cut them off like Cuba. I can't think of a worse ally America has had than these assholes, and they've really betrayed us. Anyone else think we should cut off relations with them?
Honestly, after the Osama incident, we should have shut down relations and trade with them completely. Osama was living in their version of West Point and on the same fricking street as their version of General Petreius. There is no fricking way they didn't know he was hiding out there. There is a reason why Obama didn't choose to tell the Pakistanis about taking Osama Bin Laden, since they would have likely tipped him off. If Obama had any balls, instead of sucking Pakistani balls when they killed Osama, he would have told them to go frick themselves and good luck feeding their poor when the next quake comes around.
I really don't see any reason why we haven't cut them off like Cuba. I can't think of a worse ally America has had than these assholes, and they've really betrayed us. Anyone else think we should cut off relations with them?
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:51 pm to OMLandshark
The India Pakistan conflict is arguably the HOTTEST spot on the globe. You know-nukes? We have purchased calm. For now. Seems prudent faced with the options however distasteful it is.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
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I really don't see any reason why we haven't cut them off like Cuba. I can't think of a worse ally America has had than these assholes, and they've really betrayed us. Anyone else think we should cut off relations with them?
I don't pretend to have insight but my guess would be it gives us access to intelligence that would be more difficult to obtain if we did not have "ally" as an excuse for the exchange of information and overt territorial trespassing on their territory without risk of war. We'd probably like to have N. Korea as an "ally" also but that would be too over the top.
It might be analogous to why we remain in the United Nations; keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:18 pm to OMLandshark
Pakistan is next door to Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is the 4 squares in the middle of the chessboard.
Afghanistan is the 4 squares in the middle of the chessboard.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:28 pm to OMLandshark
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Pakistan is without question our worst ally
In some ways the Saudis are worse but there's reason to think the royal family would like to be more pro-West but their circumstances don't allow it.
The Pakistanis are allies only in official State Dept. speak. I certainly hope that the powers that be see them more clearly off the record. Its possible, even likely, that we could find potential allies among the western educated military class but the shortterm benefits of a coup have to be weighed against the eventual swingback of the pendulum. (Iran 1953-now.)
There's another "ally" that comes to mind that has fricked us constantly for 60 years, stolen our most dangerous secrets, sold our advanced weapons tech to the Chinese, even murdered our sailors, but many on this board would argue them as our greatest ally and a linchpin of our security and stability.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:40 pm to OMLandshark
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Any intelligence we give them, you can just about be assured that they're giving it to our enemies.
Honestly, after the Osama incident, we should have shut down relations and trade with them completely. Osama was living in their version of West Point and on the same fricking street as their version of General Petreius. There is no fricking way they didn't know he was hiding out there.
Pakistan captured & turned over the man who masterminded the 9-11 attacks & it's foolish to believe the government knew he was in that house.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:54 pm to OMLandshark
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I can't think of a worse ally America has had than these assholes, and they've really betrayed us. Anyone else think we should cut off relations with them?
Not only should we cut off Pakistan, but we should also cut off Saudi Arabia and Israel while we're at it. However, I don't by for one minute that the upper levels of the Pakistani government knew where Osama bin Laden was. There's no way it could have been kept a secret for so long if they did know, and our surveillance of the communication between the generals immediately following the raid proves that they didn't know.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:26 pm to OMLandshark
Because foreign relations isn't a middle school girls club.
Tammy said something mean about me!!
Tammy said something mean about me!!
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:52 pm to OMLandshark
Someone in the CIA must see some benefit to be had by continuing it. What that may be is beyond any one of us knowing as it certainly is a shitty relationship at the best.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:01 am to OMLandshark
I'm fine with cutting off all financial support of Pakistan, along with Israel, Egypt, etc.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:01 am to OMLandshark
We've been a pretty shitty ally with all the drones too y'know. It's not a one-sided problem.
I think you're right about needing to reassess our relationship with Pakistan and distance considerably. It'd be better for both parties.
I think you're right about needing to reassess our relationship with Pakistan and distance considerably. It'd be better for both parties.
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