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re: Rain Jacket Recommendation
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:37 pm to thesoccerfanjax
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:37 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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This is simply not true anymore. Gore Tex is no better or worse than Patagonia's H2NO, TNF's HyVent or any of the others. In fact, it's the exact same thing, but you will pay more for the Gore Tex label. The only waterproof breathable membrane that is truly superior is eVent because it can still breathe while wet, where the others can't.
Having used H2NO and HyVent extensively, I'm much more impressed with GoreTex Pro shell than either.
When paying for Arcteryx and Mammut you're paying both for better quality control (at least over Marmot, MH and TNF, if not Patagonia) and generally a better fit and finish, in addition to the GT. Now, there have been revisions that supposedly better compare to activeshell or pro shell (Dry Q Elite comes to mind) but I don't know about them, and they're not cheap.
The idea that nobody is using Gore Tex anymore, which I hear frequently from detractors, is odd to me. eVent is certainly excellent, but Patagonia didn't restore its very broken relationship with GT for no reason.
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:42 pm to Pettifogger
Well it's kind of two fold. For one, Acteryx and Mammut are just head and shoulders better than Pata/TNF/Marmot/MHW/etc. The quality is just better period and it's not close. This would be true if they used Gore Tex or something else. Then there are consumer expectations. People expect Gore Tex when paying $500 for a shell. People just like to see that tag and what they don't realize is that it wouldn't be a $500 shell if it didn't have Gore Tex (those companies have to pay Gore Tex a pretty penny).
So while higher end shells do generally use Gore Tex, I don't believe Gore Tex is better as much as consumers expect to see that tag on a higher end shell.
Kind of like with boots. Vibram soles, in 2014, aren't really any better than anything else. But when someone is gonna drop $300 on some Asolo boots, they're probably gonna wonder why they don't have Vibram soles (if they don't. just an example). Might as well put them on there for that reason alone.
So while higher end shells do generally use Gore Tex, I don't believe Gore Tex is better as much as consumers expect to see that tag on a higher end shell.
Kind of like with boots. Vibram soles, in 2014, aren't really any better than anything else. But when someone is gonna drop $300 on some Asolo boots, they're probably gonna wonder why they don't have Vibram soles (if they don't. just an example). Might as well put them on there for that reason alone.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 12:45 pm
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