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re: Injuries on Defense w/Greer & Butler comments

Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:42 am to
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:42 am to
@mm It wouldn't be nice, it's an absolute need to get another starting caliber corner in case Greer is done(or done done).

With PRob never showing he can be a full time starter and White showing he can't play the deep ball for shite, we need to get a legit number 2 as the eventual or current replacement for Greer.

We have all these nickel guys(PRob, White, Vaccaro, Jenkins) but Greer was the only other true outside corner we had to put with Lewis.

@blues Lofton has an out in 2015($4 mil savings to $5 mil dead money which can be spread out to further increase that $4 mil) that we may have to take if we don't restructure him.

Same deal with Hawthorne in 2015(about $3 mil savings to about $3 mil dead money which can be spread out to save more).

We are stuck with them this year though as both would cost cap to cut. I actually like that setup though as it allows us 2 years to try to draft or sign one or both of their replacements and allows us to see how the come out in year 2 of Ryan's system.

On Grubbs and Evans, if we were THAT cash strapped would could cut Evans this year and save $2.5 mil, but it would make more sense to restructure him. Grubbs would only make sense as a restructure this year as even a minor restructure would save more than the $100,000 we get for cutting him.

Evans situation actually tips in 2015 where we'd save more cutting him($6 mil) than the dead money that would be left($5 mil would could be further spread out to increase the $6 mil in savings).

Grubbs in 2015 would be in Evans situation in 2014. Saves $3.6 mil if cut with $6 mil in dead money that could be split to increase savings. A restructure may make more sense if we really need the cash.

In 2016 Grubbs actually makes sense to cut unless he has been playing lights out.

So really out of Grubbs, Evans, Lofton, and Hawthorne, we are really only dead stuck with 3 this year(though Evans isn't going anywhere) but we have no replacements for them anyway.

Next year we really aren't stuck with any of them, but Grubbs doesn't make much sense as a cut unless he is playing terribly.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 1/20/14 at 11:15 am to
Seems like plenty of peeps propose getting player X without any regard to contract/cap implications. Another large group say cut player Y just on cost basis without any thought of replacing the production. Where I give Loomis much credit is the art of making both of those meet.

The actual personnel decisions as pertaining to player performance I think are more on Payton, reiprish, etc. I think that is reflected in Loomis as the GM in the Haslett era. It seemed every year back then there was a contract given or player acquired that I questioned deeply. It's quite comforting to have confidence knowing now that Loomis can make it happen with the right team around him.
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