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re: So, both Gino and Jimmy are saying surprise commit
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:15 pm to smash williams
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:15 pm to smash williams
Frank Iheanacho
Malik McDowell
Kentavius Street
Dwight Williams
Kenny Young
That's the list of guys that LSU has pursued to a relevant extent at some point during this cycle who (a) are on the roster at that game, (b) aren't LSU commits and (c) aren't Travonte Valentine (since the OP specified not him).
Street is off of Geaux247's board of targets, so I assume he's out. I kinda think the "would be considered elite" thing is a fluff comment, anyone at the USAAA Game would be considered elite almost by default.
If I had to guess, it's Dwight Williams. Kenny Young just said in an interview a day or two ago that he was taking all his visits, I wouldn't assume that's someone who's about to commit speaking. I almost don't want Iheanacho; he's good, but we're loaded up on skill position guys as it is and could use more help in the defensive front seven. Could be McDowell too (would certainly qualify as a surprise) but I think he's all Michigan (whether UM or State).
Malik McDowell
Kentavius Street
Dwight Williams
Kenny Young
That's the list of guys that LSU has pursued to a relevant extent at some point during this cycle who (a) are on the roster at that game, (b) aren't LSU commits and (c) aren't Travonte Valentine (since the OP specified not him).
Street is off of Geaux247's board of targets, so I assume he's out. I kinda think the "would be considered elite" thing is a fluff comment, anyone at the USAAA Game would be considered elite almost by default.
If I had to guess, it's Dwight Williams. Kenny Young just said in an interview a day or two ago that he was taking all his visits, I wouldn't assume that's someone who's about to commit speaking. I almost don't want Iheanacho; he's good, but we're loaded up on skill position guys as it is and could use more help in the defensive front seven. Could be McDowell too (would certainly qualify as a surprise) but I think he's all Michigan (whether UM or State).
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Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:18 pm to lsutothetop
I know it's just speculation but,could speedy's decision have anything to do with Franks?
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:20 pm to lsutothetop
And re: our linebackers... we certainly have room for another.
People talk about the 2012 haul a lot, but that's a sunk cost. It doesn't matter that we signed six of them. If they haven't performed well enough, and we need help, then we'll bring in more and just have to deal with it or process people.
Ronnie Feist is a defensive end, Deion Jones and Lorenzo Phillips look like their ceiling is special teams, Trey Granier transferred, Lamar Louis is in the rotation and Kwon Alexander is starting. Of those six, we have two actually doing something.
2013? Kendell Beckwith moved to DE, Melvin Jones moved to FB, and Duke Riley looks like another special teams highlight reel guy.
Fact is that going into 2014 we only return three guys with any degree of meaningful experience at LB: D.J. Welter, Louis, and Alexander. We're already looking and hoping for Clifton Garrett to take Welter's job by midseason. If Dwight Williams wants in, we have room.
EDIT: Apparently Phillips transferred or got processed? If so then that makes the case more compelling since we only have five LBs total now for 2014 (Welter, Alexander, Louis, Jones, Riley).
People talk about the 2012 haul a lot, but that's a sunk cost. It doesn't matter that we signed six of them. If they haven't performed well enough, and we need help, then we'll bring in more and just have to deal with it or process people.
Ronnie Feist is a defensive end, Deion Jones and Lorenzo Phillips look like their ceiling is special teams, Trey Granier transferred, Lamar Louis is in the rotation and Kwon Alexander is starting. Of those six, we have two actually doing something.
2013? Kendell Beckwith moved to DE, Melvin Jones moved to FB, and Duke Riley looks like another special teams highlight reel guy.
Fact is that going into 2014 we only return three guys with any degree of meaningful experience at LB: D.J. Welter, Louis, and Alexander. We're already looking and hoping for Clifton Garrett to take Welter's job by midseason. If Dwight Williams wants in, we have room.
EDIT: Apparently Phillips transferred or got processed? If so then that makes the case more compelling since we only have five LBs total now for 2014 (Welter, Alexander, Louis, Jones, Riley).
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 12:18 am to lsutothetop
We recruited 3 DEs in 2009's #1 class, all taking OVs in Jan. McDowell used to be all Michigan. Haley sold McDowell on the Mingo/Montgomery speed rush storied tradition of LSU and the fact they put 3 DEs in the league last year. He also did the same if not better job on Lorenzo Carter - the highest rated DE on the SPARQ test LINK, a super-charged Mingo. Additionally, Chad Thomas was hoping for an offer in the summer because he idolizes Mingo/Montgomery & Edwards, copies their moves. Even though he is a recent commit to Miami (big loser), IMHO he did that because he did not get an offer YET, but would flip. He is getting rave press at UA game. LSU, Miles, Chavis, Haley and Co. are all well liked and respected for their defensive tradition and number of players in the league. As Dupre just said after Jan 2 it is likely that #1 LSU will have a lot more appeal. LINK Miles and Chavis must surely want more than anything to get back in the position of having the two best dominating speed rushing ends who can blow by linemen and rack up quarterback sacks, fumbles, hurries, batted balls, sacks for loss., draw double teams, etc. Our recruiting class is an embarrassment of riches only limited by the number of slots we can open. Stealing any of these guys, who are prized top franchise players in each of their states shows how much pull LSU has at DE. Plus McDowell is on the same team with super OOS recruiters Paris and Clifton 'Xmas Tree' Garrett, plus Quinn, and friend Godchaux. You decide: to me he looks P&G and has for a while. He would definitely draw a double team. With LSU DE tradition, coaches, and the incoming class...find the room and fill in the blank.
Mingo, Edwards, and Montgomery did not visit until Jan 16th, 18th, and 24th, same timeframe as Carter & McDowell. Mingo was a 200 lb track star with 2 yrs of football and was coached up and saw the field as a redshirt freshman. 3 yrs after enrolling M/M/&Edwards were headed to the NFL (should have stayed 4), part of the only #1 class that went 13-0 against the #1 SOS in the nation opening against #3 Oregon. National SOS for five yrs was toughest in the nation with only 11 other teams having harder schedules.
2012: 4th, 2011: 1st, 2010: 3rd, 2009: 4th, 2008: 4th
Bama, meanwhile faced: 31st, 16th, 10th, 6th, 7th, not one year as hard as our easiest. In 2013 our SEC schedule was 2 and Bama was dead last 14.
McDowell LINK Dec 30, Nola.com: McDowell said his top programs each have something to offer him and he particularly is fond of the prestige of LSU. He added that he also likes LSU defensive line coach Brick Haley.
The Southfield (Mich.) standout has also had a chance to interact with several of the LSU commitments participating in the all-star game.
"(LSU commitment Davon) Godchaux, that's my guy," McDowell said. "I knew him from a couple of different camps."
Godchaux is one of four LSU pledges, all on the West team with McDowell, in San Antonio for the Army Bowl. Safety Ed Paris, receiver Trey Quinn and linebacker Clifton Garrett are also playing.
Mingo, Edwards, and Montgomery did not visit until Jan 16th, 18th, and 24th, same timeframe as Carter & McDowell. Mingo was a 200 lb track star with 2 yrs of football and was coached up and saw the field as a redshirt freshman. 3 yrs after enrolling M/M/&Edwards were headed to the NFL (should have stayed 4), part of the only #1 class that went 13-0 against the #1 SOS in the nation opening against #3 Oregon. National SOS for five yrs was toughest in the nation with only 11 other teams having harder schedules.
2012: 4th, 2011: 1st, 2010: 3rd, 2009: 4th, 2008: 4th
Bama, meanwhile faced: 31st, 16th, 10th, 6th, 7th, not one year as hard as our easiest. In 2013 our SEC schedule was 2 and Bama was dead last 14.
McDowell LINK Dec 30, Nola.com: McDowell said his top programs each have something to offer him and he particularly is fond of the prestige of LSU. He added that he also likes LSU defensive line coach Brick Haley.
The Southfield (Mich.) standout has also had a chance to interact with several of the LSU commitments participating in the all-star game.
"(LSU commitment Davon) Godchaux, that's my guy," McDowell said. "I knew him from a couple of different camps."
Godchaux is one of four LSU pledges, all on the West team with McDowell, in San Antonio for the Army Bowl. Safety Ed Paris, receiver Trey Quinn and linebacker Clifton Garrett are also playing.
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