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The measuring stick: Saban
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am
Much of what I read here on Les' ineptitude is fueled by a consistent comparison to Nick.
Now, I would contend basing a comparison with what will likely be the greatest HC in the history of the NCAA is rather unfair. More to the point, no one (esp. Les) pushed Saban out of LSU for Les. He left LSU on his own and some people can't see this misguided animosity as it camouflages itself.
I would say the fairest pedigrees by which to compare Les are along the lines of Mark Richt, HBC, Muschamp, Sumlin, etc. Using a more logical (and equitable) set of glasses likely shows Les for what he is: A very good coach.
Lastly, many of us here need to stop fooling ourselves into believing LSU has the best talent of any other team in the nation. We would all be surprised to have an honest discussion with peer coaches on the true level of LSU's talent. Hey, is it elite talent? Much of it, yes. BUT, there are many competitors (i.e. Auburn) who develop a similar level of resources.
An honest question, say Les calls perfect games all year, what would be the record? In all honesty, only one game (Ole Miss) is likely on coaching rather than talent.
Now, I would contend basing a comparison with what will likely be the greatest HC in the history of the NCAA is rather unfair. More to the point, no one (esp. Les) pushed Saban out of LSU for Les. He left LSU on his own and some people can't see this misguided animosity as it camouflages itself.
I would say the fairest pedigrees by which to compare Les are along the lines of Mark Richt, HBC, Muschamp, Sumlin, etc. Using a more logical (and equitable) set of glasses likely shows Les for what he is: A very good coach.
Lastly, many of us here need to stop fooling ourselves into believing LSU has the best talent of any other team in the nation. We would all be surprised to have an honest discussion with peer coaches on the true level of LSU's talent. Hey, is it elite talent? Much of it, yes. BUT, there are many competitors (i.e. Auburn) who develop a similar level of resources.
An honest question, say Les calls perfect games all year, what would be the record? In all honesty, only one game (Ole Miss) is likely on coaching rather than talent.
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:22 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:22 am to CharlesLSU
If Les had followed DiNardo would he be as successful?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:25 am to CharlesLSU
Would you say the defense is well coached this year?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:30 am to CharlesLSU
Is this another Imokaywithmediocrity thread?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:31 am to Bengalroar
Remember the 90's !!!
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:31 am to diehardfan
quote:
If Les had followed DiNardo would he be as successful?
Probably not, but he didn't. So it's pointless to think about.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:32 am to CharlesLSU
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Now, I would contend basing a comparison with what will likely be the greatest HC in the history of the NCAA is rather unfair
Why is that unfair? Are you the kind of person who compares himself with the those who aren't the best? If so, how can you trust the comparison?
Obviously I mean all of those questions to be rhetorical. You make a pretty pathetic argument.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:33 am to CharlesLSU
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I would say the fairest pedigrees by which to compare Les are along the lines of Mark Richt, HBC, Muschamp, Sumlin, etc.
All except for Muschamp actually took over rather floundering programs, though. And he's not a really good comparison, given that was his firs HC job.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:34 am to TheDoc
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Remember the 90's !!!
I'm almost positive that it's the people on the opposite side that say this shite more than the people who actually mean it. frick.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:34 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:37 am to Memphis
mane, I could go for Lil Debbie ret nah
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:37 am to diehardfan
quote:
If Les had followed DiNardo would he be as successful?
if DiNardo had followed Saban, would he have been as successful at Miles? Very likely not. Your counterpoint is flawed to say the least.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:37 am to CharlesLSU
My only issue with Les is the way he speaks to the media. He sounds like a complete moron most of the time. Just like this morning I listened to him babble something about LSU wanting to run the ball but the need to be balanced but I couldn't figure out the hell he was saying.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:38 am to Big Old Ern
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Why is that unfair? Are you the kind of person who compares himself with the those who aren't the best?
See, that? That self-loathing center of yours?
On that basis, every team outside of Bama should go on the offensive at their coach considering only one man can achieve that. Amirite?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:39 am to SpeckledTiger
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if DiNardo had followed Saban, would he have been as successful at Miles? Very likely not. Your counterpoint is flawed to say the least.
That's an interesting question that I don't think you could definitively answer yes or no. I certainly don't see how you can say "very likely not."
I really think Dinardo and Les are pretty comparable when it comes to actual coaching ability. Which, is not really a knock on either.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:40 am to CharlesLSU
Its kind of like when a relationship ends. You're gonna compare your life to theirs and hope that your winning the breakup. Unfortunately we are losing.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:40 am to CharlesLSU
frick the 90's!
I am not making any excuses, rather I am posing a LOGICAL informational set to consider. Is it impossible for some of you to think past the anger/insecurities?
I am not making any excuses, rather I am posing a LOGICAL informational set to consider. Is it impossible for some of you to think past the anger/insecurities?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:43 am to Bengalroar
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Is this another Imokaywithmediocrity thread?
...noooooo....this is a "try fricking thinking and being fair about it" thread.
Lastly, the man's track record has regularly been associated with LSU being an elite program. Where is this mediocrity you speak of?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:48 am to CharlesLSU
How many other fanbases compare their programs to Saban's?
How are their teams doing?
Saban is a once in a generation coach. And he isn't LSU's. Never will be again. He couldn't get out of Baton Touge fast enough. Grow a set of real big boy's testicles and get over it.
All the crying and weeping and whinning of the Sabanistas are further proof of the pussification of America.
How are their teams doing?
Saban is a once in a generation coach. And he isn't LSU's. Never will be again. He couldn't get out of Baton Touge fast enough. Grow a set of real big boy's testicles and get over it.
All the crying and weeping and whinning of the Sabanistas are further proof of the pussification of America.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:49 am to diehardfan
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If Les had followed DiNardo would he be as successful?
No. And there's not a person on this planet with an operating brain that can disagree with this.
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