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re: Please help settle an argument about Tom Benson

Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:54 pm to
Posted by s_i5
Earth
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:54 pm to
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I have a "friend" that loves to talk crap about the Saints He claims the reason he will forever pull for anybody but the Saints is because back when Benson was threatening to move the team out of N.O. that it was well publicized that Benson called all the residents of LA trash and was doing everything he could to move the team.
I've asked him numerous times to provide me with any shred of proof of this but he never can. He claims I must just be blocking that out
Any truth to all this BS?


I don't recall him calling people trash or anything, but he was trying to do everything he could do to move the team. Paul Tagliabue is the reason the Saints returned to New Orleans after Katrina (2006 season.) ...the rest is history!
Posted by s_i5
Earth
Member since Jul 2004
2020 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:58 pm to
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He had to explore all of his options. There was no guarantee he would have a city much less a stadium to come home too. It's a business, a lot didn't return to NOLA


He was trying to move the team before Katrina. Katrina just gave him a great opportunity to put it in motion, but Tagliabue stepped in and convinced him to go back.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:07 am to
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This and people forget that before the Benson group bought the Saints, John Mecom Jr. had threatened to and explored the opportunity to move the Saints to Jacksonville.


This is partially correct. Mecom had a deal with an investment group from Jacksonville and the deal was for $72 million (which was more than the Philadelphia Eagles had sold for a few months earlier). Harry Lee, the Sheriff of Jefferson Parish and long time friend of Edwin Edwards, heard of the deal and told Edwards; he also told Edwards he thought he had a local guy, Benson, who wanted to buy the team. Edwards met with Mecom and it was confirmed that the deal had been struck and the team would be moved to Jacksonville. Edwards asked Mecom to give him a little time to find a buyer and Mecom scuffed at that. Edwards got what the wanted by reminding Jr. that the Mecom fortune was in oil and gas from Louisiana and he would make sure that everything was in proper order with state leases (you can figure what that meant). Mecom backed off and Benson mortgaged everything he owned to buy the team (Edwards also got the legislature to pass an act giving Benson certain concessions on the Superdome lease in order to close the deal).

Those, folks, are the facts.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 12:12 am
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14967 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 7:08 am to
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He definitely entertained the idea of moving the team, but your friend exaggerates.


It's not an exaggeration. Benson acted like a dick at that time. I can't find the PFF article, but according to the report, his intentions were downright evil.

Here's an excerpt from a message board and how enraged Saints fans, along with NFL fans, were in 2005: LINK
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According to WDSU (a TV affiliate in New Orleans), the Saints are expected to announce in the next 24 hours that the Saints will play this season in San Antonio, TX, and that season ticket holders will NOT be given refunds.

Likely, this is just the first step in Saints owner Tom Benson's plan to permanently relocate the team to San Antonio. According to profootballtalk.com, Benson's plan is to stick it to the season ticket holders and Louisiana Legislature by exploiting the disaster that is Katrina and moving the team to San Antonio, thereby forcing the state leg. to tell him that he turned his back on the community and they will stop making payments to him.

Of course, if the state stops paying Benson, they are in a breach of contract and he is free to seek a relocation penalty-free.

I hate Tom Benson with a passion. Not only do these people whose lives were completely devastated by Hurricane Katrina not get the opportunity to see the Saints (as they would have if the team temporarily relocated to Baton Rouge), but they won't be getting ANY of their money back thanks to some fine-print that says the team doesn't have to return any money in the event of a natural disaster. I know if I were in that horrible situation, the thousands of dollars I spent on season tickets could go a long way in rebuilding my life.

It's terrible to say it, but right now Tom Benson is the modern-day equivalent of the Merchants of Death. Hopefully by releasing his dastardly plans before they hatch, these people will get their money back.

But even if that happens, it's not enough for me to let Benson off the hook. May he rot in Hell.


Then after that PFF report came out, Benson was nearly lynched by justifiably enraged Saints fans in Tiger Stadium. It took firm leadership by Tagliabue to step in and force Benson to stay in NOLA to prevent the injustice and a black-eye on the NFL.

I still resented Benson during the Super Bowl parade and all his waving seemed to say "Look at me! Aren't I great?! Look what I've given you" knowing he originally intended to frick us. But someone from here that I can't recall convinced me forgive the old coot. And since then, I've given him props for trying to save the Times Pic & the Hornets, and stepping in for his crazy bitch of a daughter who tried to get Loomis fired.


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This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 7:30 am
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
44598 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 7:32 am to
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NOBODY was cheering on Saban.


bullshite
Posted by jennyjones
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2006
9497 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:56 am to
IMO, Benson buying the Pelicans and keeping them in NOLA went a long way in redeeming himself for the Katrina aftermath
Posted by celtic7149
baton rouge, la
Member since Aug 2008
38 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:33 am to
I was at the Miami game in Tiger Stadium and no one was cheering Saban. In fact, all of my fellow Saints/Tigers fans (and yes, that is the majority of people in LA) were hoping for Saban to fail since he bolted on LSU.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:46 am to
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It's not an exaggeration. Benson acted like a dick at that time. I can't find the PFF article, but according to the report, his intentions were downright evil.


Everything is inuendo. NOBODY knows the truth of it.

Certainly Tom Benson explored his options to leave NOLA. Yes, like many, he was affected by Katrina and acted follishly afterward. My 80 year old father lost quite a bit in Katrina and acted a fool for quite some time afterward.

However, if TOM Benson did EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER to leave NOLA, the Saints would not be here today. Period.
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21439 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:15 am to
I have to preface my sentiments by saying that I haven't lived in New Orleans since just before Katrina. Therefore, I don't know a lot of what's happened since then and maybe there's things that may make me feel differently...

My feelings on Benson are mixed, at best. Many times, the guy has proven to be a walking PR disaster. That said, he obviously did prevent the Saints from moving to Jacksonville and at first, he seemed to be doing everything right. He brought in Jim Finks and Jim Mora, who instantly transformed the franchise. However, after Finks' departure the Saints were mostly a rudderless ship for a long time. During those times, Benson kept constantly sticking it to the fans by raising prices and to the state for more concessions and pushing for a retractable roof stadium. This at a time when many studies showed that he'd already had the best sweetheart deal of any owner in all four of the major sports leagues. When the Zephyrs first came to town 20 years ago, Benson tried to block it because he wanted to put in his own team after he found out that they were coming. He was openly critical of the Hornets before he got involved with them. Too often, he came off like New Orleans was his own personal sandbox and he didn't want anyone else in it.

To me, there's absolutely no doubt that he fully intended to bail on New Orleans after Katrina. He had been making references and overtures to San Antonio well before Katrina and he saw that as his "get out of jail free" card. IMO, 2 things prevented that from happening. One was that the NFL is a huge PR oriented league and they didn't want a PR nightmare of abandoning New Orleans in its most desperate hour. Two is that San Antonio is a huge hotbed of Cowboys fans and it's no secret that Jerry Jones has done everything possible to prevent a team moving there and taking away a large chunk of that change.

Now, on the positive side, if he indeed did keep the Pelicans from leaving, kudos to him there. Also, I haven't been to the Dome since the 2006 Wild Card playoff win over Philly...but folks tell me that a lot of the changes around the Dome are hugely popular and fan friendly.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 3:27 pm
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:39 pm to
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redneck


you weren't a saints fan before 2006.....fact
Posted by s_i5
Earth
Member since Jul 2004
2020 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:57 pm to
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Everything is inuendo. NOBODY knows the truth of it.

Certainly Tom Benson explored his options to leave NOLA. Yes, like many, he was affected by Katrina and acted follishly afterward. My 80 year old father lost quite a bit in Katrina and acted a fool for quite some time afterward.

However, if TOM Benson did EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER to leave NOLA, the Saints would not be here today. Period.




Not exactly. The NFL was going to block it. Benson probably would have gotten his wish had he not acted like such a prick during such a sensitive time.

This, more than anything, prompted Tagliabue to step in and also caused Benson to lose support from other NFL owners. They weren't going to be part of the Saints leaving New Orleans at that time.

Had things not improved to Benson's liking, then he could have moved after a couple of years, and the NFL would have supported him after the fact...but he was going back to the Superdome for the 2006 season whether he liked it or not.

Good for us and good for Benson that they came back. We still have the Saints and they are more successful than ever, and Benson has made a shitload more money since 2006.

Posted by DandyPimp
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
1095 posts
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:33 pm to
There were other issues related to New Orleans that were pissing Benson off at the time. Keep in mind that Benson has a chip on his shoulder based on the fact that he was a poor kid from the 7th ward. He was never accepted into NOLA blue blood society.

There were many conference calls and now famous / infamous meeting of the New Orleans business "elite" in Dallas in the days after Katrina to discuss the rebuilding of the city. This meeting is where the concept of focusing on the core of the city and excluding the 9th ward NO east ect, which Nagin endorsed and then repudiated later. No one thought to include Benson, the owner of one of the highest profile business owners in the city in these discussions.

Benson took strong offense to not being thought of as someone that should be in the room saw it as a continuation of the "disrespect" he received from the elite in the community over the years. Contrast this with his experience in San Antonio, where he was respected before Katrina and getting courted by the business community to move the team after from the elites of that city.

Taglibue absolutely saved the team for new orleans. Of course, benson was saved from making a prideful decision and gets the last laugh.
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