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re: Star Trek: TOS Watchers - Season 1 Wrapup *Page 25*
Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:09 am to Thunder Tiger
Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:09 am to Thunder Tiger
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But in a case like Armageddon, Kirk simply didn't like that planet's destructive evolution and "fixed" it, PD be damned.
But, again, they threatened his ship - and he just decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. That was a violation of the prime directive - once he and his crew were free and safe, they should have just beamed up and left.
Now, in Armageddon (and we've got that coming up), Fox was sent by the Federation to end the war - so, it was implicit that Kirk could work towards that. Also, Eminar and Vendikar were spacefaring species, but it was not clear if they were pre-warp or not. That makes a big difference on how much the PD limits. Kirk lives in the grey areas.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 9:27 pm to Ace Midnight
Maybe we can't stroll to the music of a lute. We must march to the sound of drums.
Posted on 10/25/13 at 5:47 am to Thunder Tiger
Kirk: "Where are you?"
Spock: "I don't believe I want to tell you that."
Kirk: "Spock, I don't know what you think you're doing, but this is an order. Report back to me at the settlement in ten minutes. We're evacuating all colonists to Starbase 27."
Spock: "No, I don't think so."
Kirk: "You - don't - think - so - what?"
Spock: "I don't think so...Sir."
Spock: "I don't believe I want to tell you that."
Kirk: "Spock, I don't know what you think you're doing, but this is an order. Report back to me at the settlement in ten minutes. We're evacuating all colonists to Starbase 27."
Spock: "No, I don't think so."
Kirk: "You - don't - think - so - what?"
Spock: "I don't think so...Sir."
Posted on 10/25/13 at 9:08 am to Ace Midnight
Another classic episode.
Interesting that Kirk drove away the spores by being upset at the idea of leaving the ship. Perhaps the Enterprise is truly his Paradise.
Lol at McCoy bristling at the idea of being put to work.
Wonderful acting by Nimoy. The first time Spock was happy.
Interesting that Kirk drove away the spores by being upset at the idea of leaving the ship. Perhaps the Enterprise is truly his Paradise.
Lol at McCoy bristling at the idea of being put to work.
Wonderful acting by Nimoy. The first time Spock was happy.
This post was edited on 10/25/13 at 9:10 am
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:50 am to Master of Sinanju
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Wonderful acting by Nimoy.
One of the earliest to really feature Spock, but I think the acting of the Big 3 is really on display here - McCoy's accent (De was the son of a Baptist preacher, and raised in Conyers and Decautur, GA) is even more exaggerated and rural - almost as if he is drunk, and that is further implied by his mint julip.
And Kirk's internal conflict (similar to The Naked Time), apparent inability to process a 100% mutiny, and his provoking of Spock were all wonderful examples of Shatner's underappreciated range as an actor.
It should go without saying that Spock with the spores is about as close as we got to seeing Leonard Nimoy play himself, probably ever.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:27 pm to Ace Midnight
*THE DEVIL IN THE DARK*
A mysterious creature is killing miners. Kirk and Spock investigate the matter.
A gripping tale of hunter and hunted, a reconsidered definition of the nature of life and humanity.
Features, probably, the best Vulcan mind meld in all of Star Trek history - and one of the best, most creative monsters.
A mysterious creature is killing miners. Kirk and Spock investigate the matter.
A gripping tale of hunter and hunted, a reconsidered definition of the nature of life and humanity.
Features, probably, the best Vulcan mind meld in all of Star Trek history - and one of the best, most creative monsters.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 6:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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A mysterious creature is killing miners. Kirk and Spock investigate the matter.
A gripping tale of hunter and hunted, a reconsidered definition of the nature of life and humanity.
Features, probably, the best Vulcan mind meld in all of Star Trek history - and one of the best, most creative monsters.
This was the first episode I ever watched as a kid with my dad.
LOVE this episode.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 9:49 pm to asurob1
This is (by production order) the 4th episode directed by Joseph Pevney. Looking at his resume, he's probably the best TOS director, with Marc Daniels as a close second. He held on until just a few years ago, dying in 2008 at the age of 96.
Along with Gene Coon, Pevney is another guy that Roddenberry pulled from Wagon Train alumni. Pevney had a brief acting career in the late 40s, switched to directing low budget films in 1950 and switched to television in 1961 - directing episodes of everything from Going My Way, to the Munsters in the 60s, to The Hardy Boys and Trapper John M.D. in the 70s/80s.
Along with Gene Coon, Pevney is another guy that Roddenberry pulled from Wagon Train alumni. Pevney had a brief acting career in the late 40s, switched to directing low budget films in 1950 and switched to television in 1961 - directing episodes of everything from Going My Way, to the Munsters in the 60s, to The Hardy Boys and Trapper John M.D. in the 70s/80s.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:45 pm to Ace Midnight
I'm a doctor, Jim, not an engineer.
You are a healer, heal!
That thing has killed ___ of my men.
And you have killed thousands of her children!
Sweet Vulcan mind meld action in this one: Murderers!
Also no kill I and their confusion whether it was a plea for mercy or a promise it wouldn't kill again. Ahhhh the Horta.
You are a healer, heal!
That thing has killed ___ of my men.
And you have killed thousands of her children!
Sweet Vulcan mind meld action in this one: Murderers!
Also no kill I and their confusion whether it was a plea for mercy or a promise it wouldn't kill again. Ahhhh the Horta.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 11:04 pm to L5UT1ger
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I'm a doctor, Jim, not an engineer.
Actually, it's:
McCoy: You can't be serious. That thing is virtually made out of stone!
Captain James T. Kirk: Help it. Treat it.
McCoy: I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer.
Captain James T. Kirk: You're a healer. There's a patient. That's an order.
Posted on 10/29/13 at 7:53 pm to Ace Midnight
Liked, but did not love, this episode. Kirk seemed somewhat predisposed to not killing the creature, which is fine, but seemed at odds with the earlier The Man Trap , where he displayed little hesitance to kill a "last of its kind" creature who was also killing people. Also seemed at odds with him being hellbent on killing the "cloud creature" in the later episode Obsession. Still, a good one.
Shatner's father died during the shooting yet he insisted on finishing the filming, showing what a professional he was. I seriously doubt I could've done the same.
Shatner's father died during the shooting yet he insisted on finishing the filming, showing what a professional he was. I seriously doubt I could've done the same.
This post was edited on 10/29/13 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 10/29/13 at 9:41 pm to Ace Midnight
It's been a decade at least. And here I was all impressed with myself. :sad banana:
Posted on 10/29/13 at 9:44 pm to L5UT1ger
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It's been a decade at least. And here I was all impressed with myself. :sad banana:
It was the first time he said, "I'm a doctor, not a [something other than a doctor]."
Posted on 10/29/13 at 11:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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Glad someone is still interested. I'm somewhat disappointed with the response to Space Seed - but I'm at least going to soldier on through the end of Season 1.
I fell behind because I've been slammed at work and my free TV time on the weekend is mostly devoted to football at this time of year you understand.
Anyway, just watched Space Seed. Another great episode I haven't seen in a while. It is a pretty dark episode. Kind of an interesting that you have Star Trek which overall shows a kind of Utopian type of future but in this talks of a bleak dystopian "future past". It also touches on the Frankenstein warning of tampering with nature. Eugenics was a fashionable idea among progressives in the late 19th and early 20th century that was discredited after WWII. The one thing missing from this episode is Chekov
Posted on 10/30/13 at 6:06 am to H-Town Tiger
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The one thing missing from this episode is Chekov
Chekov didn't come in until the second season. A glitch in TWOK, and canon is silent about the encounter. However, it must be assumed there was an off-screen encounter between a newly assigned Ensign Chekov and Khan. Walter Koenig jokes that Chekov made Khan wait a long time to use the bathroom.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 9:02 am to Ace Midnight
Great, great episode. One of my favorites.
I was very impressed with the sets. The caverns and tunnels look great. The Horta itself was also well done.
The mind meld and "No kill I" were very powerful.
It was good to see Kirk restrain himself from killing the Horta after being so determined to kill it earlier. Its also touching to see Spock's friendship and concern for the Captain override any scientific curiosity when he urged Kirk to destroy the creature.
"By golly, Jim! I'm beginning to think I can cure a rainy day!" is another great McCoy quote.
If you read the novels, a sequel to this episode was recently published, "Devil's Bargain."
I was very impressed with the sets. The caverns and tunnels look great. The Horta itself was also well done.
The mind meld and "No kill I" were very powerful.
It was good to see Kirk restrain himself from killing the Horta after being so determined to kill it earlier. Its also touching to see Spock's friendship and concern for the Captain override any scientific curiosity when he urged Kirk to destroy the creature.
"By golly, Jim! I'm beginning to think I can cure a rainy day!" is another great McCoy quote.
If you read the novels, a sequel to this episode was recently published, "Devil's Bargain."
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:26 pm to Master of Sinanju
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was very impressed with the sets. The caverns and tunnels look great. The Horta itself was also well done.
You had a few shows that were really trying back then - Outer Limits (of which TOS reused a number of props), Lost in Space and, of course, TOS. Twilight Zone was hit and miss, and much more focused on telling the story (and I don't mean that as an insult). For all the crap that TOS catches for being cheesy (in hindsight), many of their episodes contained top notch sets, props and special effects, especially considering the time, budget and technology restraints under which they were operating.
Devil in the Dark kind of set the stage for a recurring pattern of "underground" sets in Star Trek, generally: TWOK featured an underground cavern prominently, TNG had a decent number of underground or cavernous type sets and DS9 made extensive use of such sets, both Bajoran and during the Dominion War.
This episode, particularly, had one of the best combinations of setting, lighting, dialogue, acting (particularly among the Big 3 and guests), pacing, suspense, and yet with that positive, optimistic ending - a very satisfying chapter of TOS. And all of this was accomplished with merely a few minutes on board the Enterprise.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 9:23 pm to Ace Midnight
*ERRAND OF MERCY*
First appearance of the Klingon race in Star Trek, and we get a wonderful appearance from John Colicos as the augment version of Captain Kor (he would reprise the character as an old man, reverted back to normal Klingon physiology, in 3 episodes of DS9).
The original plan was to have Colicos come back and have Kor be the Klingon answer to Kirk, but he wasn't available for the Season 2 (William Campbell took the role in Tribbles, and they changed the name of the Klingon captain to Koloth), and then neither were available in Season 3 (so Michael Ansara played Captain Kang). I guess the good news is that we got to see 3 different takes: Colicos' Kor is a cold, efficient, brutal administrator, Campbell's Koloth is a brash, unpredictable schemer and Ansara's Kang is a proud, noble warrior (and I think that Ansara's is the closest to the vision adopted by TNG and DS9 - and even further, all three "augment" captains from TOS appeared as old men, and portrayed by their TOS actors in an episode of DS9 called "Blood Oath").
In Errand of Mercy, Kirk and Spock try to open relations with a seemingly primitive, peaceful people, primarily in an attempt to deny the planet to the Klingons. Instead, they get caught up in a brutal Klingon occupation of the planet.
Well, as with many of these encounters, the primitive race of Organians are not only immune to the Klingons' methods, ultimately enforce a peace treaty on the warring parties.
However, the episode focuses on Kirk and Spock engaging in clandestine sabotage missions in ways similar to the French Resistance of WWII (in real time, a mere 20 years prior to the production of Star Trek). This conflict would foreshadow the Bajoran Resistance and Maquis struggles against Cardassia in TNG and DS9.
First appearance of the Klingon race in Star Trek, and we get a wonderful appearance from John Colicos as the augment version of Captain Kor (he would reprise the character as an old man, reverted back to normal Klingon physiology, in 3 episodes of DS9).
The original plan was to have Colicos come back and have Kor be the Klingon answer to Kirk, but he wasn't available for the Season 2 (William Campbell took the role in Tribbles, and they changed the name of the Klingon captain to Koloth), and then neither were available in Season 3 (so Michael Ansara played Captain Kang). I guess the good news is that we got to see 3 different takes: Colicos' Kor is a cold, efficient, brutal administrator, Campbell's Koloth is a brash, unpredictable schemer and Ansara's Kang is a proud, noble warrior (and I think that Ansara's is the closest to the vision adopted by TNG and DS9 - and even further, all three "augment" captains from TOS appeared as old men, and portrayed by their TOS actors in an episode of DS9 called "Blood Oath").
In Errand of Mercy, Kirk and Spock try to open relations with a seemingly primitive, peaceful people, primarily in an attempt to deny the planet to the Klingons. Instead, they get caught up in a brutal Klingon occupation of the planet.
Well, as with many of these encounters, the primitive race of Organians are not only immune to the Klingons' methods, ultimately enforce a peace treaty on the warring parties.
However, the episode focuses on Kirk and Spock engaging in clandestine sabotage missions in ways similar to the French Resistance of WWII (in real time, a mere 20 years prior to the production of Star Trek). This conflict would foreshadow the Bajoran Resistance and Maquis struggles against Cardassia in TNG and DS9.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 10:09 pm
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