re: 8 years with Les.....what are your thoughts....

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This is why expectations will always be sky high here.

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Expectations are sky high but winning is not guaranteed. Doesn't matter how rich in talent our state is, it can, and has, gone out of state before. With a wrong coaching hire and a few sub par seasons the fence comes down. Dinardo had to convince the talent to come back. That's why getting Kevin Faulk was such a huge deal. Before that, they were going to Michigan, Colorado, Florida, Fla St etc. That's why I think the more recent additions to our fan base take our recruiting and success for granted. Like its always been that way and always will be. Les has brought more lasting success to this program than any coach in our history. It's not guaranteed. Not just anyone could do it. And with coaching searches being based so much on timing, things can and have changed quickly.

"there's LSU and there's everybody else"
The quote comes from an interesting quantitative analysis by SBNation on June 11.
The numbers in that analysis speak for themselves.
If there's a better recent study, you might let us know.
Les gets plenty of credit from most everyone here for recruiting.
His weaknesses are elsewhere and are well documented.
On balance, we seem well served, but on any Saturday, hold onto your hat.

I was skeptical at first, but he has done a pretty good job overall. Yes, there have been some disappointments and even embarrassments. However, he has a NC under his belt. A lot of beloved coaches out there don't.

Compared to a couple of the goobers we have had (Hallman, Archer, Hallman, Stovall, Hallman, did I mention that rat bastard Curley?) Miles is actually quite a welcome relief. He seems like a regular guy, wins a lot, and doesn't insist on fans kissing his dick like Saban. Saban was good, but he was a goddamned prick, even to some in the Athletic Dept).

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I am assuming that you have listened in on the conversions during a game. If you haven't then you are just making up stuff.

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Where do people get this stuff from? One person says it and the masses repeat it.

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Mayhaw,
You are right about Texas.
And that's why Mack Brown should be fired. There's no excuse.
Go to orang bloods and you'll see some familiar arguments:
Overall winning pctg., recently won a BCS, we've had worse coaches, etc.

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Since you are saying that Mack Brown should be fired, and at the same time comparing his criticisms to Miles', does this mean?????????????????

I think he lets them call the plays but he approves the game plans from which plays can be called. And he decides when to go to the more conservative part if that particular plan given the game he feels is in hand to shorten it. Cam will not have a free hand in calling any play either. But he may have more I put in the approval process. Just my opinion of course.

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So now a journalist that spots a trend that any fan with half a brain or follows recruiting has figured out a decade+ ago - now qualifies as a study? (yes I read the article several days ago) 

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Exactly. Not to mention it's a stupidly flawed study anyway (I didn't recognize the quote at first).

He makes the statement after watering down the analysis to % of the state's top 25 players that the school keeps saying that is "truly apples to apples".

Uhhhh, no it fricking isn't.

His own first graph shows LA only averages 11 4/5 star athletes a year, while several states average 25, 30, or over 40.

So what if LSU keeps 13 of the top 25 prospects in the state if over half of them wouldn't even be ranked in the top 40 of those other states????

It's a ridiculously flawed article, that doesn't make much sense when you really think about it.

If you look at the composite class rankings from all the sites, you'll get a much better idea of the talent at LSU compared to other programs.

We are elite, along with Bama, UF, UT, GA, Oregon, OK, Auburn, OSU, USC, FSU and a couple other outliers on the way up like Clemson, Ole Miss, and A&M.

And we win at par or over all of them while playing a tougher schedule in a tougher conference.

The Miles wins on talent alone myth is straight up fricking stupid and lazy by people desperate to discredit the greatest coach in LSU history.

Simple as that.

Miles has won 80% of his games at LSU and the only reason he hasn't won over 85 is because he played with 2 shitty QBs for 4 years because he kicked a potential Heisman candidate off his team.

He'd have 2 NCs in 8 seasons if not for an unprecedented Rematch on 1/9 and is about to land the best class LSU has ever had to go along with the best OC in college football.

Bash while you can Miles haters

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What I mean is that the criticisms of both coaches are the same

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Brown is winning 58% of his games in the last three seasons while Miles is winning 85% of his games in the same period.

The criticisms might be the same because lots of fans are nut cases, but the results sure and the hell aren't the same in the last three years.