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re: GoT S3: Episode 6 "The Climb" <<<Book Readers Thread>>> SPOILERS
Posted on 5/7/13 at 7:36 am to fouldeliverer
Posted on 5/7/13 at 7:36 am to fouldeliverer
Another great write up about Theon's scene
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Horrific? Yes. Well-acted? Yes, absolutely. Necessary? ... We still don’t know. The novels never needed these moments, the novels focused on more significant parts of the grand story. In this episode, Theon has garnered about 10% of the screen time, which is rather extraordinary. For many, that the scenes are well-acted and well-written are enough—there need be no justification beyond that. But one must ask: with such a talented cast, and such a wealth of material and storylines to draw from, would giving that 10% of screen time to some other character and some other story not make some sense? Perhaps the writers have some grand plan, but presently it feels as if the justification is not much beyond presenting the suffering and torture of Theon Greyjoy in all its visceral ugliness. It’s becoming hard to wait and see where they’re going with this.
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:01 am to fouldeliverer
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But the thumping obviousness of everything he does has, alas, begun to grow tiresome; he’s not far from the mustache-twirling cartoon villain or, if we’re kind, a James Bondian villain. The Varys-Littlefinger colliquies were something to look forward to in the first two seasons, but it’s becoming a tiresome device when it explains everything in an overt way as if viewers would miss something if they weren’t guided straight to it. Is it a well-written speech? Sure. But it would have been a much more interesting moment had the show been able to obscure the depths of Littlefinger’s duplicitousness until that particular moment, but it seems a luxury that the novels have and, for some reason, the television show doesn’t.
I have no problem with the TV show making Littlefinger more obvious. It is after all a TV show that has to encompass a ton of material, so some characters intentions have to be more obvious. It doesn't have the luxury the book had of slowly revealing Littlefingers intentions. For the TV show to work, some things must be plainly stated to the audience, while other things can take their time to build on.
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But one must ask: with such a talented cast, and such a wealth of material and storylines to draw from, would giving that 10% of screen time to some other character and some other story not make some sense? Perhaps the writers have some grand plan, but presently it feels as if the justification is not much beyond presenting the suffering and torture of Theon Greyjoy in all its visceral ugliness. It’s becoming hard to wait and see where they’re going with this.
This is just another example of the book being a better medium to display Theon's transformation. In the book, we rarely saw any actual torture of Theon, but we did get to see Theon constantly obsessing over it. The TV show isn't able to portray Theon's transformation without showing the audience the pain and abuse he goes through. Without showing it, Theon's change would lose some depth.
Basically both complaints are just that the book is able to do it better, which is true for the vast majority of movies/TV shows adapted from books
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 8:03 am
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:07 am to fouldeliverer
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Horrific? Yes. Well-acted? Yes, absolutely. Necessary? ... We still don’t know. The novels never needed these moments, the novels focused on more significant parts of the grand story. In this episode, Theon has garnered about 10% of the screen time, which is rather extraordinary. For many, that the scenes are well-acted and well-written are enough—there need be no justification beyond that. But one must ask: with such a talented cast, and such a wealth of material and storylines to draw from, would giving that 10% of screen time to some other character and some other story not make some sense? Perhaps the writers have some grand plan, but presently it feels as if the justification is not much beyond presenting the suffering and torture of Theon Greyjoy in all its visceral ugliness. It’s becoming hard to wait and see where they’re going with this.
I think I know what may happen. Ramsay may send one of his servants to release Theon from his bonds. This servant starts beating Theon, but Theon is able to get his hand around his dagger and kill him. Theon escapes the Dreadfort, but is soon hunted down by Ramsay. Ramsay reveals that he killed his most prized servant, Reek, so Theon would replace him.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:10 am to fouldeliverer
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Another great write up about Theon's scene
Is this from someone who has read the books? I know given what we've seen in the non-readers thread a lot of them are ready for Theon to just be "killed off already". I could see where someone who hasn't read could have formed the opinion that he shouldn't necessarily get the screen time he's getting.
But as said, the key to Theon's transformation was his inner dialogue in the books. You don't have that on the show so they have to take liberties.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:41 am to fouldeliverer
That is an interesting take on Theon’s screen time. The first thing that occurs to me is that these scenes were dedicated just as much to establishing Ramsey as to building Theon’s storyline.
Because, as far as Theon’s story goes I think it’s a fascinating psychological profile of a man under that kind of inhumane treatment in the book. (You have to remember your name). But, as good as the writing and acting on this show are, I don’t really see them trying to explore those depths in significant detail.
I also don’t see Theon’s storyline as one of great redemption or progress. I think too much water has passed under the bridge. I mean he sacked Winterfell. I’m pretty sure he did at least some raiding and reaving on the coast. Even though the kids he killed were not Bran and Rickon, I don’t think anyone in the North will be likely to forgive him for that stuff. So, to that extent, the writer has a point.
But I think that Ramsey still needs to be established in all his depravity and “low cunning”. The things that will allow him to have some successes and the things that MAY come back to bite him (and through him Roose) all need to be established. Because I’m pretty sure the Bolton’s are to play a significant part in the upcoming seasons.
Because, as far as Theon’s story goes I think it’s a fascinating psychological profile of a man under that kind of inhumane treatment in the book. (You have to remember your name). But, as good as the writing and acting on this show are, I don’t really see them trying to explore those depths in significant detail.
I also don’t see Theon’s storyline as one of great redemption or progress. I think too much water has passed under the bridge. I mean he sacked Winterfell. I’m pretty sure he did at least some raiding and reaving on the coast. Even though the kids he killed were not Bran and Rickon, I don’t think anyone in the North will be likely to forgive him for that stuff. So, to that extent, the writer has a point.
But I think that Ramsey still needs to be established in all his depravity and “low cunning”. The things that will allow him to have some successes and the things that MAY come back to bite him (and through him Roose) all need to be established. Because I’m pretty sure the Bolton’s are to play a significant part in the upcoming seasons.
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