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re: Godfather question that's always bothered me
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:40 am to Methuselah
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:40 am to Methuselah
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And Fredo, well, what can you say about Fredo. I don't think you can even pin that on his upbringing. But he was a mess.
Don't you talk about Fredo! He's probably the most "normal" of the kids, and I like that of the 3 of 4 screwed up kids, you exclude the total sociopath. Mike is pretty much pure evil. He's the godfather without that love of family thing.
Fredo has jealousy issues, sure. He's just not a criminal at heart. He's a good natured guy who just wants to go fishing with the kids. He had no place in the criminal underworld. Fredo nurtured the goodness in himself, and only really saw the good in others. Unfortunately, he lived in reality in which most people had little to no goodness.
Fredo is the tragic hero of the first two films.
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:58 am to Baloo
Sure, by the end Michael had gone to some really dark place. But at the beginning, he was pretty well adjusted.
Fredo was just weak and ineffective. Vito really should have set him up in some small legit enterprise outside of the true family business. Maybe running a small grocery or something. He was just never going to be able to cut it in the cutthroat world that the Corleone's operated in.
Fredo was just weak and ineffective. Vito really should have set him up in some small legit enterprise outside of the true family business. Maybe running a small grocery or something. He was just never going to be able to cut it in the cutthroat world that the Corleone's operated in.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:15 am to Baloo
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Fredo is the tragic hero of the first two films.
you must have misspoken. I am sure you intended to say "of the films".
I mean, there are only two total, so yknow there ya go.
I mean, if there were another, it would change everything.
There are two Godfather movies.
There are two Godfather movies.
There are two Godfather movies.
There are two Godfather movies.
There are two Godfather movies.
keep repeating it.....
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:04 am to Baloo
quote:This is a perfect summation. Michael is the only protagonist who undergoes the hero change in reverse. At least I can't think of any main characters who do that. Not like a fall from grace, tragic hero thing.
Don't you talk about Fredo! He's probably the most "normal" of the kids, and I like that of the 3 of 4 screwed up kids, you exclude the total sociopath. Mike is pretty much pure evil. He's the godfather without that love of family thing.
Fredo has jealousy issues, sure. He's just not a criminal at heart. He's a good natured guy who just wants to go fishing with the kids. He had no place in the criminal underworld. Fredo nurtured the goodness in himself, and only really saw the good in others. Unfortunately, he lived in reality in which most people had little to no goodness.
Fredo is the tragic hero of the first two films.
Soeaking of Godfather questions, why does Michael look up Kate after being gone for so long? Is it convenience? That's the only answer I ever came up with. He shows up after years and wants to marry her because he is ready to start a family. And she is the most convenient option.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:11 am to Baloo
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Fredo has jealousy issues, sure. He's just not a criminal at heart. He's a good natured guy who just wants to go fishing with the kids. He had no place in the criminal underworld. Fredo nurtured the goodness in himself, and only really saw the good in others. Unfortunately, he lived in reality in which most people had little to no goodness.
Fredo had the talent to run the family's hotels and casinos, which worked in favor of the family's transition to legitimate enterprises, but he had ambitions higher than his abilities dictated.
He wanted to be the Don after Sonny died, but Michael got that instead.
He wanted to be influential in the family's inner circle, but Tom Hagen got that role instead.
He pretty much wanted the stars and it never quite worked out for him, such as him marrying moviestar Deanna Dunn, whose marriage to him was a disaster if Godfather 2 is any sign.
Also, if you want to argue about who the Don's "best" kid is, you could make a solid argument for Tom Hagen, who is the adopted one, alongside Michael, who was rebellious.
He was the one who followed the Don's recommendation to become a lawyer, as a lawyer was a better asset to their business than a leg-breaker like Sonny, married an Italian girl and was faithful to her, etc.
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