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re: Panther's Financials Leaked, $112mil In Profits 2010-2012

Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:05 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:05 pm to
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and im not sure your calculation of ROI is really relevant in this situation. instead of taking the total worth of the franchise as the baseline, i think the operating cost would be more accurate.

He has an asset worth $1B, returning 6.1% interest. I'm not crying for the guy, but it certainly is on par with what he could get if he invested $1B elsewhere.
Posted by jacks40
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:10 pm to
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the guy, but it certainly is on par with what he could get if he invested $1B elsewhere.


Investing a billion dollars isn't different then owning something the increase in value to that billion dollars?

He never put up $1 billion of his own money.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:18 pm to
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but it certainly is on par with what he could get if he invested $1B elsewhere.

if maximizing profit was the goal, he should sell the panthers and invest the monies received from the sale.
again, i think your valuation is off. its operating as a business, not a mutual fund.
revenue - costs = profit
costs/profit = roi %
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:18 pm to
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He has an asset worth $1B, returning 6.1% interest.



An asset that will only increase in worth and not decrease.

The problem is the owners lying to the public that they are losing money, when the fact is they aren't.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:43 pm to
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He has an asset worth $1B, returning 6.1% interest. I'm not crying for the guy, but it certainly is on par with what he could get if he invested $1B elsewhere.


Several points:

The value of the NFL franchises has risen dramatically in recent decades (they paid just over $200M in 1993, now it is worth over a billion)

One of the arguments about why pro sports are good investments is NOT necessarily about the money returned each year (although 6% annual return today would be fine for 2010-2012 if your calculated value of a billion paid were to be correct) but that the franchises have been escalating dramatically in overall value. (So any owner unhappy with a "6%" return investment with public support should feel free to sell out a reap another giant windfall).

They have been lying about losing money

They have been receiving public money for their stadium etc.
Posted by Anfield Road
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 6:49 pm to
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He has an asset worth $1B, returning 6.1% interest. I'm not crying for the guy, but it certainly is on par with what he could get if he invested $1B elsewhere.



You're looking at the worth of the franchise right now. What's the capital appreciation during that time period. You can't just use profits in ROI calculation. Otherwise, you'd only count dividends when figuring out if you got a good ROI on a stock.
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 6:50 pm
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