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re: NO/TOR/MEM hypothetical trade

Posted on 1/29/13 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/29/13 at 3:32 pm to
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Great for us

Nah. It's a marginal and unnecessary upgrade at point guard that leaves a gigantic crater at C.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 3:46 pm to
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It's a marginal and unnecessary upgrade at point guard that leaves a gigantic crater at C.



Kyle Lowry is better than Vasquez.

You'd also have plenty of cap room to spend on a free agent center in the off-season.

you're not signing a guy to play 30+ minutes a night at center. Plenty of guys available to do what Lopez does.
This post was edited on 1/29/13 at 3:52 pm
Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
6772 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 4:14 pm to
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Plenty of guys available to do what Lopez does.


Not sure how up to date this LINK is. I would only consider Josh Harrellson or Jerome Jordan. But, Lowry is not that big enough upgrade over Vasquez to lose our starting center.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 4:29 pm to
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Not sure how up to date this LINK is. I would only consider Josh Harrellson or Jerome Jordan. But, Lowry is not that big enough upgrade over Vasquez to lose our starting center.


What the frick did I just read? You want Jerome Jordan?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 4:35 pm to
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Kyle Lowry is better than Vasquez


I agree. But has Lowry ever gotten along with a head coach?

quote:

ou're not signing a guy to play 30+ minutes a night at center. Plenty of guys available to do what Lopez does.


yep. the crunch time frontcourt for this team will be anderson/davis regardless of the starters. the majority of frontcourt minutes will go to that same pair, regardless of
starters.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 4:40 pm to
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I agree. But has Lowry ever gotten along with a head coach?


This is obviously the big question mark. How would he fit in with this team.

Posted by MrPappagiorgio
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2009
41122 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 4:46 pm to


Josh Harrellson would instantly become a fan favorite
Would also show AD they're willing to build, by bringing in a fellow Wildcat
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24841 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 4:46 pm to
My thoughts with regards to Bledsoe has more to do with what he may become, than what he is. I think Bledoe's ceiling is through the roof and salivate at what could be.
Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
6772 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:10 pm to
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What the frick did I just read? You want Jerome Jordan?


Nah brah. Jordan is D League talent and everyone else is fricking old. I like Lopez.

I was using your "Plenty of guys available to do what Lopez does" statement to show that ain't no one close to being available to do what Lopez does.

Losing Lopez isn't worth gaining Lowry.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:19 pm to
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I was using your "Plenty of guys available to do what Lopez does" statement to show that ain't no one close to being available to do what Lopez does.


Zaza Pachulia, Samuel Dalembert, Timofey Mozgov, Thiago Splitter?

I didn't know we had Lew Alcindor in the pivot now.

These guys couldn't do what Robin freaking Lopez does?
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18853 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:33 pm to
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Robin freaking Lopez


19.87 PER
quote:

Zaza Pachulia

13.35 PER
quote:

Samuel Dalembert

15.59 PER
quote:

Timofey Mozgov

12.35 PER

Not to mention Lopez is younger than all 3.

Splitter is the only one who is better, but the Spurs more than likely won't be letting him go unless we overpay. Lopez has a very nice contract.
And again, why are you willing to make a giant crater at center when we have a point guard who is currently 3rd in assists per game to get a marginal upgrade, if that, in Lowry?
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:53 pm to
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And again, why are you willing to make a giant crater at center when we have a point guard who is currently 3rd in assists per game to get a marginal upgrade, if that, in Lowry?

Because its not a marginal upgrade.

Giant crater? So the front office can't sign anyone in the offseason to play 20 minutes a game?
This post was edited on 1/29/13 at 6:55 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72076 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:54 pm to
Lopez really is easily replaced. While he is efficient at the line and in the paint, he's a 7' center who is the 75th best rebounder in the NBA. He has 2 double doubles on the year. Monty has decreased his mpg by 3 minutes each month on the season (28mpg in Nov to 22 this month). The guy is destined to be a career backup. And he is good at it. But he won't leave a crater at center if he were to be traded. He is very expendable.
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18853 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:56 pm to
I do expect us to eventually replace him with a better starter, but I don't feel like Lowry is worth trading him and Vasquez for. We don't really need a score-first point guard to play alongside Gordon, Davis, and Anderson. I'd rather stick with what we have now and build through free agency and the draft unless a trade comes along that definitely makes us better.
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18853 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:00 pm to
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Because its not a marginal upgrade.


What is it about Lowry that makes him so special? His FG% is worse than Vasquez's and he averages almost the same amount of points and over 3 assists less.
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49528 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:26 pm to
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His FG% is worse than Vasquez's


He takes an extra 3 per game (which he's better at than Vasquez), so that drops it a bit. Lowry is a better FT shooter and gets to the line a good bit more often, which isn't reflected in basic FG%. Among PGs that play more than 20mpg, Lowry has the 7th best TS% (accounts for 3's and FTs) in the NBA vs. 41st for Vasquez.

quote:

he averages almost the same amount of points and over 3 assists less.


In 7 fewer minutes
Per 36:
Vasquez: 14.5 / 4.7 / 9.6 3.6 TOs, .7 steals
Lowry: 17.7 / 5.8 / 7.6 2.7TOs, 1.7 steals

Lowry is also a good defender. Vasquez not so much. The rebound numbers for Lowry (6'0) being better than Vasquez (6'6) is especially telling. The only thing is Vasquez has at least 2 years of being here on the cheap. Lowry only has one year left at a very reasonable $6m, but could jet or get a ~$3-6m raise afterwards.
This post was edited on 1/29/13 at 8:19 pm
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10401 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:30 pm to
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I really don't want to let go of Vasquez unless we are getting CP3 or possibly Bledsoe.


Yes, if looking for a PG Bledsoe would be second on my list

This dude has quickly elevated to the most overrated player in the NBA. It's a small sample size but in 4 starts with Paul out he's averaging 12/4 and the Clippers are 1-3.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:30 pm to
Lowry is a better on-the-ball defender. A better three-point shooter. A better attacker of the basket. And a better rebounder than Vasquez.

Vasquez is no doubt a better distributor. However, Lowry is better at protecting the basketball than Vasquez - 10.7 turnover rate to Vasquez's 12.9.

The Hornets average 14.5 free throw attempts per game. Third worst in the NBA.

Vasquez averages 2.9 FTA-48 min.; Lowry averages 8.0 FTA-48 min.

Lowry's true shooting percentage is 57.8%; Vasquez's is 50.2%



Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18853 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:10 pm to
Fair enough. I didn't dive into the stats but I watched him play before and he seemed like an inefficient chucker at PG. I still don't think we should mess with our roster and trade for him when he isn't a piece that will make us contenders.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27432 posts
Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:12 pm to
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I still don't think we should mess with our roster and trade for him when he isn't a piece that will make us contenders.


no one realistic transaction is going to take the Hornets/Pelicans from where they are now to contender status.

It involves multiple moves.
This post was edited on 1/29/13 at 8:13 pm
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