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The reasons why Saints 1st round picks haven't shined.

Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:01 am

Posted by adono

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:01 am

The draft is a crap-shoot and the the higher the pick the brighter the light on any mistake. The Saints under the Payton regime have not picked a total bust (the jury is still out on M. Ingram) but they have not exactly hit home runs on any of their first round picks either; at best, they ended up getting utility players.

Here's the list of picks under Payton:

YEAR ROUND PLAYER

2006 2 Reggie Bush
2007 27 Robert Meachem
2008 7 Sedrick Ellis
2009 14 Malcolm Jenkins
2010 32 Patrick Robinson
2011 24 Cameron Jordan
2011 28 Mark Ingram, Jr.

A few things stick out: 1. The Saints haven't been selecting too high and, therefore, the odds of finding a superstar goes down, 2. The only 2 picks we've had in the Top 10 were from USC and both underperformed their contracts (it seems this is the case with most USC players coming into the NFL) and 3. The old adage: "Never pick a running back in the 1st round" still holds.

Conclusions: 1. Trade our first rounder for more picks, 2. Don't pick a player from the Pac 12 (certainly not USC), and 3. Never draft another running back with a 1st rounder.

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Posted by Mouth

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:20 am to adono

This will not end well for you.

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Posted by djrunner

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:27 am to Mouth

3 things
1. I see 7 active starters in the NFL
2. This is not an issue
3. You are dumb

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Posted by Hulkklogan

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:29 am to adono

Let's be gentle and just let this die by the wayside.

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Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:31 am to adono

I look at our 1st round picks and I see pride I see power I see a bad mother ducker who wont take a no crap off a nobody...

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Posted by BarbeTiger

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:32 am to adono

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Conclusions: 1. Trade our first rounder for more picks, 2. Don't pick a player from the Pac 12 (certainly not USC), and 3. Never draft another running back with a 1st rounder.

These are dumb conclusions. So we should never draft a USC player again because 2 players in the history of the Saints didn't work out? Also, you shouldn't say never draft a RB because you don't know what will happen in the future, the next Adrian Peterson could be out there in 5 years

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Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:34 am to BarbeTiger

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Also, you shouldn't say never draft a RB because you don't know what will happen in the future, the next Adrian Peterson could be out there in 5 years

You can only be eligible for the draft one time

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Posted by LaBornNRaised

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:36 am to djrunner

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. I see 7 active starters in the NFL

First round picks are supposed to be more than active starters for your team. As the OP was trying to note.

We definitely have not done well with our 1st picks imo also. Cans future looks bright but the rest of those guys we still have on our roster do not make me think they were good value picks at all.

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Posted by Brettesaurus Rex

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:43 am to adono

While I wouldn't call any if them absolute stars, the only "bust" would be Ellis IMO.

I would consider Reggie #1 by far. He was key in the rejuvenation of this team in 06 and our Super Bowl in 09.
I personally think Jordan and Ingram will be staples on this team come next year or in the near future.

I would put Meachem, Jenkins, and Robinson about in the same category. While they didn't put up first round #1s, they're key players on our team. Meachem was pretty great in 09.

Also like you mentioned, were not always picking in the top half of the first round.

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Posted by Davie Crocket

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:55 am to Chad504boy

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I look at our 1st round picks and I see pride I see power I see a bad mother ducker who wont take a no crap off a nobody...

Cool Runnings is one of my favorite movies all time

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Posted by blueslover

deeper than deep south

Member since Sep 2007

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:02 am to Chad504boy

here's a study of games started by draftees, by round and position

there's a ton of data to mine, the complete story HERE covers a lot.

I have two adds for the Saints. 1.) I'll put their overall drafting under Payton against any other team in the same period. The 1st Rders may be a B or C overall. They have found so many gems later and undrafted the total draft grade the past 6 years is an A for me. 2.) most folks expectations are way too high IMO. Check these charts for success rate and the 1st Rders look much better.

Check THIS big board. Then check THIS grading scale. Notice only 19 players make the grade as 1st Rd selections to be highly productive players.

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Posted by Interesting Thought

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Member since Nov 2010

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:03 am to Davie Crocket

It wasn't the drafting of the rb in the 1st round as much as it was the losing of picks to move up to draft a rb.

You can't argue drafting Reggie either.

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Posted by Mouth

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:06 am to Chad504boy

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I look at our 1st round picks and I see pride I see power I see a bad mother ducker who wont take a no crap off a nobody...

John Candy's most underrated film.

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Posted by brettd

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:08 am to adono

The 1st rounders under Payton have definitely under performed

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Posted by Hoodoo Man

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:13 am to adono

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the jury is still out on M. Ingram

No, it isn't.

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Posted by John McClane

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:13 am to adono

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This will not end well for you.

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Posted by JayJay2

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 10:52 am to Chad504boy

Junior!!

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Posted by saintsalwaysnumber1

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Member since Dec 2008

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:47 am to djrunner

Don't pick any USC guys they all suck in the nfl.

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Posted by blueslover

deeper than deep south

Member since Sep 2007

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:58 am to saintsalwaysnumber1

USC players do get more rating than they are worth on a whole but ya can't throw out the baby with the bath water. I wouldn't mind having these USC draftees-

Matt Kalil
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
Rey Maualuga
Sam Baker
Ryan Kalil
Steve Smith
Reggie Bush
Winston Justice
Lofa Tatupu
Carson Palmer
Troy Polamalu

that's a fair amount of talent for any school over the past 9 years

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Posted by CM84

Louisiana

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Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:17 pm to adono

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Don't pick a player from the Pac 12 (certainly not USC)

Not this shite again

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