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re: Can an old timer give a history lesson of the LSU/Kentucky basketball series?

Posted on 1/25/13 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by avondale88
Montgomery
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/25/13 at 8:20 pm to
Dale Brown had the right group for quite a few seasons. Dale wasn't a great coach but he was a great motivator. Dale had quite a few teams that could have won it all, but he was always out coached. I remember when Indiana was behind us at the half and Knight said that he wasn't worried when he looked across the court and saw Dale Brown was the coach. Knight and a few other coaches stated that if their teams had the talent that LSU had at the time, they would have been undefeated and won it all.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:56 am to
That's what sucks. Dale was great for LSU though.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 1/26/13 at 5:04 am to
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Dale wasn't a great coach but he was a great motivator.


I don't think that's quite fair.

He was a great coach in some ways, for some styles of play, and for some types of "freak" defenses. I don't think any other coach in America could have won some of the games he did with the players he had.

He just wasn't able to adjust to some of the newer elements of big time basketball. Also, he was always at war with referees and the NCAA. Many of his criticisms were valid, and certainly the refs did gift games to other teams (such as Indiana in '87, when they consistently allowed outrageous moving picks).

Dale's downfall was that he was just too obstinate. Rather than find another way to win with Shaq as a center, he insisted on keeping the same offensive plan so he could wage a PR campaign against the way referees let other teams beat LSU with the Hack-a-Shaq strategy. It's nice to defend Shaq and all, but damn, come on, Dale. It would have been nice if LSU didn't woefully underperform during the Shaq years, but they did, which is ironic considering all Dale accomplished in the late 70's & 80's.

When you look at the season before Shaq arrived, and the season after Shaq left, his presence really had almost no effect on the team's success. His only SEC title in 1991 was followed by a 1-and-done in the NCAA Tourney. It says volumes that LSU was more or less the same quality of team with Ricky Blanton (who was really a shooting guard) or Geert Hammink at center as with Shaquille O'Neal.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 5:06 am
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7302 posts
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:26 am to
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Dale Brown had the right group for quite a few seasons.

You missed my point ... the right group for Dale was a bunch of underachievers. He struggled with what to do with the top notch talent (Shaq, CJ, etc). Must suck for those other coaches that Dale was able to get all that talent, while they were left saying "I could have won if I had his team's talent".

And Bobby Knight was a prick who succeeded through intimidation. He wasn't worried in that game because he knew he would eventually get the calls from the refs.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:34 am to
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I remember when Indiana was behind us at the half and Knight said that he wasn't worried when he looked across the court and saw Dale Brown was the coach.


that's a pretty flimsy account of that episode. Knight was very complimentary of LSU and the gameplan after that 1 pt loss to #1 Indiana. He made his wiseacre comment about 5 months later in rebuttal to Dale going on ESPN during the summer talking about what a bully Knight was,mainly in regards to phone slamming incident that would have gotten any other coach ejected.
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