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Navigating the bowl picture
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:58 am
Posted on 12/2/12 at 12:58 am
First, a very useful reference: the SEC Digital Network website on bowl tie-ins.
The bowl selection order is as follows:
1. BCS National Championship game. If the SEC has a team ranked #1 or #2 in the final BCS standings, then that team must go to the national championship game. Alabama will be #2 in those standings, and thus will go to the title game against #1 Notre Dame.
2. Sugar Bowl. The SEC Champion receives an automatic bid to the Sugar Bowl. In years where the SEC Champion goes to the national championship, the Sugar Bowl is allowed to select a replacement before any other at-large bids are placed. Because this is the case this year, the Sugar Bowl is allowed to pick any at-large team to replace Alabama. Florida will most likely be their replacement pick, as the Sugar Bowl has always replaced a championship-contending SEC champion with a team from the SEC in years where it is allowed (see next point). They will most likely face Oklahoma.
3. Other BCS bowls. The other BCS bowls are allowed to pick whomever they choose from eligible teams, with the exception that they are limited to two teams from a given conference. Alabama and Florida have already been selected, so the other BCS bowls cannot pick an otherwise-eligible SEC team.
4. Capital One Bowl. The Capital One Bowl gets the first selection from non-BCS-bound teams. Brett McMurphy already broke that Texas A&M had been selected. The Capital One Bowl is obligated to pick Nebraska or Northwestern here, because it must pick teams within a loss or a win (read: no more than a half-game behind) the team with the best overall record in the conference that's still available to be chosen. Nebraska will likely be chosen here given the larger fanbase and national attention.
5. Cotton Bowl/Outback Bowl. This is where things get tricky. Per Jacques Doucet, the Cotton Bowl wants LSU, but the SEC wants them to take Georgia. For them to take Georgia, however, the Outback Bowl would first have to pass on Georgia, as it's the Outback Bowl that gets first pick. For this even to be on the table, the Outback Bowl must prefer South Carolina to Georgia. Thus we can extrapolate that South Carolina will go to the Outback Bowl. They'll be facing a Big Ten team, either Northwestern or Michigan (not sure which; the same argument for Nebraska applies to Michigan, but in this case, Northwestern actually outperformed Michigan on the field, which may have some sway in the decision).
6. Chik-Fil-A Bowl. Whichever of LSU or Georgia is not selected for the Cotton Bowl will fall here.
In other words, we're down to Cotton or Chik-Fil-A. Nothing's really changed, except that the SEC is apparently pushing to get Georgia into the Cotton Bowl. Their motivation is hard to tell, but it's largely irrelevant; LSU will bring the Cotton Bowl more money, because more LSU fans will be willing to travel to Dallas in these circumstances than will Georgia fans.
The bowl selection order is as follows:
1. BCS National Championship game. If the SEC has a team ranked #1 or #2 in the final BCS standings, then that team must go to the national championship game. Alabama will be #2 in those standings, and thus will go to the title game against #1 Notre Dame.
2. Sugar Bowl. The SEC Champion receives an automatic bid to the Sugar Bowl. In years where the SEC Champion goes to the national championship, the Sugar Bowl is allowed to select a replacement before any other at-large bids are placed. Because this is the case this year, the Sugar Bowl is allowed to pick any at-large team to replace Alabama. Florida will most likely be their replacement pick, as the Sugar Bowl has always replaced a championship-contending SEC champion with a team from the SEC in years where it is allowed (see next point). They will most likely face Oklahoma.
3. Other BCS bowls. The other BCS bowls are allowed to pick whomever they choose from eligible teams, with the exception that they are limited to two teams from a given conference. Alabama and Florida have already been selected, so the other BCS bowls cannot pick an otherwise-eligible SEC team.
4. Capital One Bowl. The Capital One Bowl gets the first selection from non-BCS-bound teams. Brett McMurphy already broke that Texas A&M had been selected. The Capital One Bowl is obligated to pick Nebraska or Northwestern here, because it must pick teams within a loss or a win (read: no more than a half-game behind) the team with the best overall record in the conference that's still available to be chosen. Nebraska will likely be chosen here given the larger fanbase and national attention.
5. Cotton Bowl/Outback Bowl. This is where things get tricky. Per Jacques Doucet, the Cotton Bowl wants LSU, but the SEC wants them to take Georgia. For them to take Georgia, however, the Outback Bowl would first have to pass on Georgia, as it's the Outback Bowl that gets first pick. For this even to be on the table, the Outback Bowl must prefer South Carolina to Georgia. Thus we can extrapolate that South Carolina will go to the Outback Bowl. They'll be facing a Big Ten team, either Northwestern or Michigan (not sure which; the same argument for Nebraska applies to Michigan, but in this case, Northwestern actually outperformed Michigan on the field, which may have some sway in the decision).
6. Chik-Fil-A Bowl. Whichever of LSU or Georgia is not selected for the Cotton Bowl will fall here.
In other words, we're down to Cotton or Chik-Fil-A. Nothing's really changed, except that the SEC is apparently pushing to get Georgia into the Cotton Bowl. Their motivation is hard to tell, but it's largely irrelevant; LSU will bring the Cotton Bowl more money, because more LSU fans will be willing to travel to Dallas in these circumstances than will Georgia fans.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:01 am to lsutothetop
I don't get the LSU/Georgia debate. Each team will not travel well for the longer distance game. Who can't see this?
P.S. - I'm going to either.
P.S. - I'm going to either.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:02 am to lsutothetop
God i hate this SEC administration
Always shady things happening every season and they're slaves to the schools in Alabama
Always shady things happening every season and they're slaves to the schools in Alabama
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:04 am to lsutothetop
This is what doesn't sit well with me:
Not a shot at you. I agree, the bowls are allowed to pick whoever they want, so what's with Slive and the SEC trying to strong arm the Cotton Bowl committee?
Let them make their pick. Another reason to dislike Slive. Although it is coming from Jacques Doucet, he likes to stir up crap too so take it with a grain of salt.
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Other BCS bowls. The other BCS bowls are allowed to pick whomever they choose from eligible teams, with the exception that they are limited to two teams from a given conference. Alabama and Florida have already been selected, so the other BCS bowls cannot pick an otherwise-eligible SEC team.
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Cotton Bowl/Outback Bowl. This is where things get tricky. Per Jacques Doucet, the Cotton Bowl wants LSU, but the SEC wants them to take Georgia
Not a shot at you. I agree, the bowls are allowed to pick whoever they want, so what's with Slive and the SEC trying to strong arm the Cotton Bowl committee?
Let them make their pick. Another reason to dislike Slive. Although it is coming from Jacques Doucet, he likes to stir up crap too so take it with a grain of salt.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:07 am to MrPackSix
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4. Capital One Bowl. The Capital One Bowl gets the first selection from non-BCS-bound teams. Brett McMurphy already broke that Texas A&M had been selected. The Capital One Bowl is obligated to pick Nebraska or Northwestern here, because it must pick teams within a loss or a win (read: no more than a half-game behind) the team with the best overall record in the conference that's still available to be chosen. Nebraska will likely be chosen here given the larger fanbase and national attention.
Given the CapOnes obsession with Johnny Football, I couldn't be happier than the other team will have gotten blown out (NEB) with SEVENTY hung on them......it will be a sideshow.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:08 am to graychef
I don't get it either. UGA in the Chick-fil-A = sold out. LSU vs Texas in the Cotton = sold out. LSU will not sell their allotment to the Chick-fil-A and I seriously doubt that UGA will sell the amount of tickets to the Cotton that LSU would. They're both the only games on tv their respective nights so there's no competition. The money is split evenly so that's not a problem. WTF is Slive thinking?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:11 am to Daigeaux
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UGA in the Chick-fil-A = sold out
100% Agree. It's in GA for crying out loud, not far from Athens.
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LSU vs Texas in the Cotton = sold out
Agree again.
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WTF is Slive thinking?
He's not. He has one team in the SEC to be concerned with. The other 13, eh...... whatever.
The guy's a joke.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:12 am to graychef
I think (and this might be a separate thread in and of itself) that the SEC is trying to fix a problem that's cropped up two years in a row now:
The SEC Championship has become a liability for the teams playing in it.
2011: LSU had to play Georgia while Alabama stayed home and got slotted in at #2. Given the situation, it might actually have benefited LSU to lose in the SECCG last year; if LSU is a 1-loss team, then Alabama's loss to LSU looks worse than if LSU were undefeated, and consequently Oklahoma State might have been placed at #2. In any case, Alabama got the chance to compete for, and win, the national title, by staying home during the SECCG and watching LSU grind through a 13th game that was ultimately of no benefit and potentially (if UGA had managed to blow LSU out) going to force them out of the title game.
2012: Florida, secure in the knowledge that it will be in the top 4 no matter the outcome of the SEC Championship, stays home, 2nd place in its division, and watches Alabama knock Georgia to the Chik-Fil-A Bowl (assuming no intervention by the league). Georgia, who finished better than Florida in ranking and in conference standing, is punished for losing a game Florida wasn't even good enough to get invited to play. If Georgia happens to win, then Alabama gets kicked out of the BCS, despite being the champion of the tougher of the two divisions this year, and despite losing its spot to the #2 team in the #2 division.
I think the case is made pretty easily, and that consequently the SEC has decided to be proactive in making the SEC Championship less of a postseason-killing liability.
The SEC Championship has become a liability for the teams playing in it.
2011: LSU had to play Georgia while Alabama stayed home and got slotted in at #2. Given the situation, it might actually have benefited LSU to lose in the SECCG last year; if LSU is a 1-loss team, then Alabama's loss to LSU looks worse than if LSU were undefeated, and consequently Oklahoma State might have been placed at #2. In any case, Alabama got the chance to compete for, and win, the national title, by staying home during the SECCG and watching LSU grind through a 13th game that was ultimately of no benefit and potentially (if UGA had managed to blow LSU out) going to force them out of the title game.
2012: Florida, secure in the knowledge that it will be in the top 4 no matter the outcome of the SEC Championship, stays home, 2nd place in its division, and watches Alabama knock Georgia to the Chik-Fil-A Bowl (assuming no intervention by the league). Georgia, who finished better than Florida in ranking and in conference standing, is punished for losing a game Florida wasn't even good enough to get invited to play. If Georgia happens to win, then Alabama gets kicked out of the BCS, despite being the champion of the tougher of the two divisions this year, and despite losing its spot to the #2 team in the #2 division.
I think the case is made pretty easily, and that consequently the SEC has decided to be proactive in making the SEC Championship less of a postseason-killing liability.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:14 am to la_birdman
While you're technically quoting two different situations, I'm 100% with you nonetheless and your actual argument is valid. It's the bowls, not the SEC, who are more affected by the revenue from the game. It's the bowls, not the SEC, who get to pick the teams that participate. I get what the SEC is doing (I think), but it's bogus.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:14 am to lsutothetop
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I think the case is made pretty easily, and that consequently the SEC has decided to be proactive in making the SEC Championship less of a postseason-killing liability.
Just in time to Frick LSU ... How convenient ...
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:16 am to lsutothetop
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I get what the SEC is doing (I think), but it's bogus.
Yep.
I have to go on a tangent here for just a sec..... what is that green dinosaur thing you have as your avatar?
I've been wondering what the heck it is for years. It is on a tv show or something?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:20 am to Daigeaux
quote:...all the way! Im in Dallas so im with the obvious!!
I don't get it either. UGA in the Chick-fil-A = sold out. LSU vs Texas in the Cotton = sold out. LSU will not sell their allotment to the Chick-fil-A and I seriously doubt that UGA will sell the amount of tickets to the Cotton that LSU would. They're both the only games on tv their respective nights so there's no competition. The money is split evenly so that's not a problem. WTF is Slive thinking?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:20 am to lsutothetop
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I think the case is made pretty easily, and that consequently the SEC has decided to be proactive in making the SEC Championship less of a postseason-killing liability.
Well they won't make it by pushing Georgia for the Cotton Bowl.
Georgia should be in the Sugar Bowl. Can't the SEC make some kind of by-law requiring this if it wants to keep the SEC title game from being a liability?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:22 am to la_birdman
This will probably spark more questions than answers, but it's the bunchee!!
Green dinosaur/llama is probably the most accurate description. I'm not exactly sure how to describe it
Green dinosaur/llama is probably the most accurate description. I'm not exactly sure how to describe it
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:23 am to shutterspeed
CBS bowl projections just changed it to UGA in cotton vs Texas LINK I hate how we might get punished into a new years eve bowl being the freaking #7 team in the country!
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:24 am to lsutothetop
Thanks! It's been bugging me. I've seen other posters use it for their avatar and I have no idea what it is.
Ok, back to the topic......
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:26 am to la_birdman
Lets go 1-A independent!
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:43 am to macatak911
frick it, i want the auto zone liberty bowl
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:47 am to macatak911
It's funny, I posted months ago that the SECCG potentially was a liability to the SEC in as far putting teams in the 1 or 2 BCS slot. More harm than good comes out of that game. There is no point in having two teams play each other twice in the same year.
In fact, look at all the conf championship games. Boring for most part, many many empty seats in some.
I'd prefer that the West champ and the East champ are compared and a series of tiebreakers come into play:
* head to head
* record against common opponents
* cumulative BCS points of common opponents
etc, etc
Whoever wins the tiebreak is the SEC champion. No extra game. And it's one less game for SEC teams to browbeat one another.
In fact, look at all the conf championship games. Boring for most part, many many empty seats in some.
I'd prefer that the West champ and the East champ are compared and a series of tiebreakers come into play:
* head to head
* record against common opponents
* cumulative BCS points of common opponents
etc, etc
Whoever wins the tiebreak is the SEC champion. No extra game. And it's one less game for SEC teams to browbeat one another.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:56 am to MetTiger
Keep dreaming. Your idea makes logical sense but no way is the cash cow SECCG going away.
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