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re: Long time ranters: Okie State reaction to Les leaving?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:16 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:16 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Recruits want to go somewhere where they can play for a championship.
You mean like Landon Collins, Denzel Devall, Gunner, DE Channing Ward, in fact not one recruit from Mississippi in this class, nor any from Alabama??
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:18 am to League Champs
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You mean like Landon Collins, Denzel Devall, Gunner, DE Channing Ward, in fact not one recruit from Mississippi in this class, nor any from Alabama??
God you're dumb. So, are there not allowed to be any other schools in the country that compete for a national championship? Is LSU supposed to put up on some pedestal?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:24 am to Signature
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Also, am I wrong for thinking that Gundy has turned Okie Lt into a much better program than what Les managed
eh, I dont think Gundy is anything special. I think t. boone pickens is the one to credit for Okie St.'s continued prominence in CFB.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:29 am to makinskrilla
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eh, I dont think Gundy is anything special. I think t. boone pickens is the one to credit for Okie St.'s continued prominence in CFB.
Agreed. I derive my opinion from the fact that Pickens was there for Miles as well. I'm not saying the scenarios are necessarily "equal", but it does appears that Gundy has done a better job all around. Especially with media adoration.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:34 am to PurpleAndGold86
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God you're dumb.
You're just oblivious to reality.
LSU doesnt get owned in the BCS game, and we look more attractive to recruits, especially ones we've already signed (see Gunner)
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:45 am to Topwater Trout
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Tell me how sustaining is more difficult than building please.
Why don't you give some examples for us where programs that were highly successful under one coach maintained the same level of succss with the immediately following coach. I don't recall that many. Most successful programs suffer some period of decline and struggle in the immediate transition period:
Alabama after Bear-no sustained success until Saban. Lot's of ups and downs. If sustaining were easy, here is your poster child of a program that shouldn't have gone through significant down periods. But Bama simply was not on the the same plane after Bear for any extended period of time.
Florida- Not immediately successful following Urban Meyer or Stever Spurrier
Michgan-has struggled to find the right coach
ND- nuff said
USC- Kiffin follows Carroll. That has worked out well. USC struggled for years following their great period in the 70s. If were so easy to maintain, what school could be easier than USC, but that isn't the history of USC.
Miami- fell off a cliff, though they are likely the prime exception, maintaining some success through coaching changes for a while before crashing and burning, but proving the rule that it is indeed difficult to maintain a program through coaching changes.
Ohio State-Maybe the most likely successful transition currently, but perhaps proves the exception rather than the rule. Even Ohio State hasn't maintained high level between coaching changes, historically.
So give me some historical evidence that proves your proposition that sustaining a program through coaching changes is actually not more difficult than building, or at least as difficult. You list what appear to be logical reasons why one would expect it to be so, but experience and history don't give a lot of support to the proposition actually being true.
Generally speaking most programs do not easily maintain high level of success following the departure of a highly successful coach. There is usually a down period, sometimes through several coaching changes before the program is back to where it was.
An by the way, why does anyone think that Miles couldn't build a program? He had virtually the same kind of record at OSU (and was had the best record of any OSU coach over the 30 years up to his tenure there) that Saban had at MSU. The belief that Miles could not have been successful had he not followed Saban simply isn't supported by any evidence. Because he didn't have to rebuild the program isn't evidence that he couldn't. Actually the evidence argues that he could based on his record at OSU, a much harder place to build a program than LSU. He was successful there, at least in comparison to his predecessors (as Saban was at MSU).
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 11:47 am
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:57 am to JaxTigah
quote:They're exactly similar to LSU and what Saban left Miles...in fact, almost a mirror image EXCEPT Miles had the added advantage of a past NC and even better recruiting base and fertile ground than Gundy. In that case, Gundy did more with less, than Les. Les did less with more.
OSU was a losing program when Miles got there. He left Gundy with much more to work with than when he arrived. Pickens has also pumped millions into that program since that time. The situations were not at all similar
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:59 am to TheHiddenFlask
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Les was the Gerry Dinardo of Okie State
bullshite. Les was winning when he left Okie St. Dinardo was fired from LSU. Huge difference.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:18 pm to League Champs
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You mean like Landon Collins, Denzel Devall, Gunner, DE Channing Ward
Which championship is Ward playing for? And poor Gunnar just took a left turn to 4 years of mop up duty.
But I get it, the sky is falling and Les Miles can't recruit
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