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re: Why is it ok to steal media?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:32 am to alajones
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:32 am to alajones
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First of all, what CAD and a lot you sound like the Veruca Salts of internet age downloaders. I want it NOW DADDY!
The internet has totally spoiled all of you. In the 80's, you had to go see the movie, or wait six months for it to come out on video and then rent the movie.
You heard good music on the radio, you either sat around listening to the radio with your blank tape, or you found a friend with it, or you just bought the damn thing.
As far as musicians and songwriters not making money, cry me a river. Shreveport is full of musicians, actors, artists, etc. who are never going to be millionaires. Get a real job like everyone else. I get where you are coming from Baloo. I've seen numerous posts of your concerning this subject and I get it. Musicians are the ones really getting screwed in this war. Adapt with the times or GTFO. No one is crying for the horse and buggy makers or VCR repairmen.
As far as the rest of you...it's still illegal. Wah wah, I can't watch Walking Dead anytime I want to and on whatever device I want to. Oh woe is me.
I want an Oompa Loompa NOW DADDY!
The point is fair, instant gratification. But that's a small piece of a bigger puzzle.
That simple idea is about getting something or not getting something, which is part of it.
It's also not that I WANT to live that way, but it's how we have to live (if you want to ask the bigger question). Given the amount of responsibilities that have also been tacked on to all of us because of the changes of instantly available everything, we are also pulled in all of those directions. We've fed the beast of impatience, and there's no turning back.
I find it literally impossible to watch any show at air time. Impossible. So am I just supposed to skip them? Do I HAVE to skip Walking Dead because I worked on Sunday. If everyone just watched things when they could, viewership would go down. Advertising would go down, and poof....no more TV.
But I'm not watching next week if I haven't watched this week. Oh and AMC doesn't have online play. It's not on Hulu, and they only play it one other time before the next episode. At 1am.
Ok so I stop watching Walking Dead. They lost me as a viewer.
We can't change.... Unless there's a zombie apocalypse of course, then all bets are off. At that's just the fulfillment of the constant instance gratification of murder and chaos. Fun fun.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 11:34 am
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:48 am to Freauxzen
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As far as musicians and songwriters not making money, cry me a river. Shreveport is full of musicians, actors, artists, etc. who are never going to be millionaires. Get a real job like everyone else. I get where you are coming from Baloo. I've seen numerous posts of your concerning this subject and I get it. Musicians are the ones really getting screwed in this war. Adapt with the times or GTFO. No one is crying for the horse and buggy makers or VCR repairmen.
No one is saying be a millionaire. I'm talking about being able to make a living at what is your job. And yes, this is their job. It's not a hobby. And no, not every person in Shreveport with a guitar gets to make a living at making music. But the point here is that none of them can ever hope to make a living at it. Zero. It's a pyramid with no pinnacle.
The VCR repairmen analogy breaks down because WE STILL CONSUME MUSIC. All that's changed is the distribution. If we stopped listening to music, okay, get another job, hippie. But we are buying their product, just in a different format, and that's supposed to make it okay to not pay the artist? It's like if we invented a flying car which used the internal combustion engine yet stopped paying people who worked on engines. Sorry buddy, this car no longer has wheels. You're obsolete.
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It's also not that I WANT to live that way, but it's how we have to live (if you want to ask the bigger question). Given the amount of responsibilities that have also been tacked on to all of us because of the changes of instantly available everything, we are also pulled in all of those directions. We've fed the beast of impatience, and there's no turning back.
I do agree with Freaux here. Restricting the product is a terrible idea and anti-consumer. If there is no viable legal way to get the show, you either stop watching or steal it. The Oatmeal cartoon is perfectly apt. By refusing to put up a feed of Walking Dead, AMC is not only turning down money, they are begging people to get free copies behind their backs, cutting AMC out of the deal. DVR helps the problem, but I like to watch seasons in their entirety in one sitting. I actually wait for Breaking Bad to finish instead of watching it each week. It fits my viewing habits.
There is a balance between consumer and artist rights. But I do not support solutions which do not compensate the creators. I want them to get paid so they will keep making things I like.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:57 am to Freauxzen
quote:I'm in the same boat. My wife and I have several shows that we DVR. We do most of our primetime TV watching from 10-12 at night.
I find it literally impossible to watch any show at air time. Impossible.
Another problem I see with this whole situation is perspective. We are currently discussing movies and TV on the internet. Which means we have a little bit of a clue about the Internet and are probably really into movies and TV if we go to the net to talk about it. Most people aren't like that.
If I can just talk out of my arse for a minute, I will. Now I dont' have any hibbity jibbity stats to support what I'm about to say like it's fact, but I really believe that we are in the minority and are expecting industries to change they way they do things just to suit our needs. But it is a situation like wine. Where 20% of the population drinks 80% of the wine. So does the wine industry go after everyone, or do they go after those 20%?
Right now, TV and Music are in an in between zone and are there are so many available ways for access and new ways of doing things every year there is no way to keep up. Who would have thought 10 years ago that we would be watching TV on our cell phones?
Everyone jus tneeds ot chill the frick out. The market will do what it does.
But it will never be free!
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