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Agreement on BCS playoff structure reached
Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:56 pm
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8:27PM EST November 12. 2012 - DENVER – College football's new playoff system will feature only six marquee bowl games, but will guarantee access to a team from the five non-power conferences, the BCS' presidential oversight committee decided in a brief meeting Monday afternoon.
The presidents also approved the general framework for revenue distribution and gave conference commissioners the go-ahead to secure a TV rights deal.
The smaller conferences known as the "Group of Five" – Big East, Conference USA, Mid-American Conference, Mountain West and Sun Belt – had pushed for addition of a seventh bowl beginning in 2014, when college football moves to a four-team playoff. The Big 12 and Pac-12 also were in favor of the extra bowl, which would have allowed a second guaranteed slot for those conferences' teams. But with little interest from potential TV partners, commissioners ultimately decided against the idea.
"It was a possibility up until the end," said Big East commissioner Mike Aresco of the seventh bowl. "But this was a better plan for us. It gives us the same guaranteed access for our conference champion. We'll work out the revenue. We'll be fine."
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The commissioners were also given approval by the presidential oversight committee to secure a TV rights deal. Current rights-holder ESPN is in an exclusive negotiating window that ends later this week, according to BCS executive director Bill Hancock. Sports Business Journal reported last week the network was close to a deal worth as much as $500 million annually and perhaps as much as $7.3 billion over the life of the 12-year contract. But there was at least some sentiment to test the value with potential bidders like Fox, NBC or Turner.
Navigate Research, a Chicago-based firm that measures the value of marketing and media rights, originally estimated the package might be worth from $400-450 million annually. On the open market, Navigate's director of analytics Jeff Nelson estimated the annual value could reach $550-600 million.
"It's clearly very, very valuable," Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Monday.
The current BCS TV deal pays $180 million a year.
Ten percent of total revenue will be tied to teams' academic performance rates (APR). If a team's APR falls below an undetermined threshold, it would lose that portion of the revenue. Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said the portion is expected to be designated for academic purposes.
The question of how the revenue will be distributed has apparently been settled, at least in broad terms. Though presidents and commissioners at the Hyatt Regency would not discuss the terms because they hadn't been finalized, CBSSports.com reported Sunday the "Group of Five" would split at least 20 percent of the overall bowl revenue.
"There will be plenty of money for everybody," BCS executive director Bill Hancock said. "The bottom line is 'more.' "
Northern Illinois president John Peters, who represented the Mid-American Conference, said the vote on revenue distribution was unanimous.
"We think it's fair," Peters said. "It does recognize that some conferences contribute more in a revenue way. … From my point of view for my conference, what it means is more."
Said the Big East's Aresco: "The fairness aspect is definitely there."
More important, according to Peters and Aresco, was the guaranteed access to the six games that will make up college football's upper-tier bowls. Big East senior associate commissioner Nick Carparelli tweeted: "It wasn't about a 7th bowl. It was about a guaranteed spot. It is better for everyone if there are 6 bowls. Mission accomplished! "
Counting future members of "Group of Five" conferences, the Big East champion would have qualified in seven of the past nine years.
Meanwhile, the Big 12 and Pac-12 had pushed for the seventh bowl as a way to secure another guaranteed slot for their teams, like the SEC and Big Ten secured in a recent deal with the Orange Bowl. But Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby noted that in 11 of the past 14 years, the Big 12 had two or three teams ranked in the top 12 of the BCS standings. And Scott said: "It's no longer about access. It's about a four-team playoff."
All six bowls will rotate as semifinals for the playoff. The postseason will feature three "contract" bowls – meaning games with tie-ins to conference affiliations (Rose, Sugar, Orange) – and three "host" bowls – games without tie-ins. Those games will be played New Year's Eve and New Year's Day; the championship game will be played a week later, on a Monday night.
The "host" bowls have not been determined. Hancock said bids would go out sometime after the TV deal is secured and would be finalized by spring 2013, but conventional wisdom is the slots will be filled by the Fiesta, Chick-fil-A and Cotton bowls.
Next on the agenda: finalization of a selection committee – it probably won't happen until next spring – and at some point, a name change:
"Anything," Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said, "but the Bowl Championship Series!"
8:27PM EST November 12. 2012 - DENVER – College football's new playoff system will feature only six marquee bowl games, but will guarantee access to a team from the five non-power conferences, the BCS' presidential oversight committee decided in a brief meeting Monday afternoon.
The presidents also approved the general framework for revenue distribution and gave conference commissioners the go-ahead to secure a TV rights deal.
The smaller conferences known as the "Group of Five" – Big East, Conference USA, Mid-American Conference, Mountain West and Sun Belt – had pushed for addition of a seventh bowl beginning in 2014, when college football moves to a four-team playoff. The Big 12 and Pac-12 also were in favor of the extra bowl, which would have allowed a second guaranteed slot for those conferences' teams. But with little interest from potential TV partners, commissioners ultimately decided against the idea.
"It was a possibility up until the end," said Big East commissioner Mike Aresco of the seventh bowl. "But this was a better plan for us. It gives us the same guaranteed access for our conference champion. We'll work out the revenue. We'll be fine."
MAILBAG: Submit your college football questions
The commissioners were also given approval by the presidential oversight committee to secure a TV rights deal. Current rights-holder ESPN is in an exclusive negotiating window that ends later this week, according to BCS executive director Bill Hancock. Sports Business Journal reported last week the network was close to a deal worth as much as $500 million annually and perhaps as much as $7.3 billion over the life of the 12-year contract. But there was at least some sentiment to test the value with potential bidders like Fox, NBC or Turner.
Navigate Research, a Chicago-based firm that measures the value of marketing and media rights, originally estimated the package might be worth from $400-450 million annually. On the open market, Navigate's director of analytics Jeff Nelson estimated the annual value could reach $550-600 million.
"It's clearly very, very valuable," Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Monday.
The current BCS TV deal pays $180 million a year.
Ten percent of total revenue will be tied to teams' academic performance rates (APR). If a team's APR falls below an undetermined threshold, it would lose that portion of the revenue. Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said the portion is expected to be designated for academic purposes.
The question of how the revenue will be distributed has apparently been settled, at least in broad terms. Though presidents and commissioners at the Hyatt Regency would not discuss the terms because they hadn't been finalized, CBSSports.com reported Sunday the "Group of Five" would split at least 20 percent of the overall bowl revenue.
"There will be plenty of money for everybody," BCS executive director Bill Hancock said. "The bottom line is 'more.' "
Northern Illinois president John Peters, who represented the Mid-American Conference, said the vote on revenue distribution was unanimous.
"We think it's fair," Peters said. "It does recognize that some conferences contribute more in a revenue way. … From my point of view for my conference, what it means is more."
Said the Big East's Aresco: "The fairness aspect is definitely there."
More important, according to Peters and Aresco, was the guaranteed access to the six games that will make up college football's upper-tier bowls. Big East senior associate commissioner Nick Carparelli tweeted: "It wasn't about a 7th bowl. It was about a guaranteed spot. It is better for everyone if there are 6 bowls. Mission accomplished! "
Counting future members of "Group of Five" conferences, the Big East champion would have qualified in seven of the past nine years.
Meanwhile, the Big 12 and Pac-12 had pushed for the seventh bowl as a way to secure another guaranteed slot for their teams, like the SEC and Big Ten secured in a recent deal with the Orange Bowl. But Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby noted that in 11 of the past 14 years, the Big 12 had two or three teams ranked in the top 12 of the BCS standings. And Scott said: "It's no longer about access. It's about a four-team playoff."
All six bowls will rotate as semifinals for the playoff. The postseason will feature three "contract" bowls – meaning games with tie-ins to conference affiliations (Rose, Sugar, Orange) – and three "host" bowls – games without tie-ins. Those games will be played New Year's Eve and New Year's Day; the championship game will be played a week later, on a Monday night.
The "host" bowls have not been determined. Hancock said bids would go out sometime after the TV deal is secured and would be finalized by spring 2013, but conventional wisdom is the slots will be filled by the Fiesta, Chick-fil-A and Cotton bowls.
Next on the agenda: finalization of a selection committee – it probably won't happen until next spring – and at some point, a name change:
"Anything," Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said, "but the Bowl Championship Series!"
This post was edited on 11/12/12 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:02 pm to blackjackjackson
Only if there are at least 8 teams, otherwise, marginal improvement.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:02 pm to blackjackjackson
So I scanned through it, will there be the small bowls still?
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:03 pm to blackjackjackson
I think the same damn problems everyone has with the BCS will not change with this format either. It needs to be an 8 team or 16 team playoff not 4.I think its stupid and solves nothing!!
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:04 pm to blackjackjackson
So the Rose Sugar and Orange rotate the championship game and the other two get the 4 team play off to get into the championship game?
What is the value of the other three bowls?
Seems like the Fiesta and Dallas came up short on that deal.
What is the value of the other three bowls?
Seems like the Fiesta and Dallas came up short on that deal.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:07 pm to TigerFan2211
Four teams is enough, any one can be beaten on any given day so the best team will not always be the champion, but if you don't make the top four you can't complain.
But you need computers that value strength of schedule not just human polls that reward perfect records from teams that paly no top 10 schools all year.
But you need computers that value strength of schedule not just human polls that reward perfect records from teams that paly no top 10 schools all year.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:20 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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Four teams is enough, any one can be beaten on any given day so the best team will not always be the champion, but if you don't make the top four you can't complain.
But you need computers that value strength of schedule not just human polls that reward perfect records from teams that paly no top 10 schools all year.
Excellent points.
If they don't value strengh of conference enough, then an 8-team playoff could solve the problem. There could be years where the SEC Champion has 1 or 2 losses and is deemed ineligible for the playoff.
Here's a hypothetical. What if Ohio State wasn't on a postseason ban and went undefeated this season? What if Florida State went undefeated? Let's assume that Oregon, Kansas State, and Notre Dame win out too. Well, then we'd have 5 undefeated teams. Despite competing in weak conferences, tOSU's and FSU's names/traditions and undefeated records might make the selection committee rank them above a 1-loss Alabama or Georgia. Now remember that both Georgia and Alabama suffered embarrassing losses, so it'd be difficult to argue for their inclusion in the playoff despite probably being better than 2 of the teams ranked above them.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:23 pm to Macintosh
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So I scanned through it, will there be the small bowls still
of course.
National Championship Game - bid out each year to new city
National Semi-Finals - rotated between Rose, Sugar, Orange + 3 more (Fiesta, Cotton, Peach)
All other bowls stay the same
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:41 pm to CalTiger53
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Only if there are at least 8 teams, otherwise, marginal improvement.
How often has someone ranked 4 or lower in the BCS had an argument for the BCS championship? The controversy many times surrounds the exclusion of the #3 team.
This has got me to wondering though what the committee will do if there's a 2008 situation?
Problems:
1. Alabama lost to Florida in the SEC Championship Game.
2. Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech were involved in a 3-way triangle, but for some reason Oklahoma got the nod.
3. What was wrong with USC? I've read that they had an incredible defense. Was it that they played one less game? Was the perception that losing on the road to 9-4 Oregon State was worse than losing at home to 9-4 Ole Miss? I really want y'all's take on 2008 USC.
Another interesting year is 2000.
1. Oklahoma
2. Florida State
3. Miami
4. Washington
Florida State lost to Miami. Miami lost to Washington. Do we want rematches in the playoff?
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:47 pm to blackjackjackson
More affirmative action. 
Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:48 pm to boom roasted
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Cliffnotes?
SEC gets the largest payout of all conferences. 21% every year.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:09 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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What is the value of the other three bowls? Seems like the Fiesta and Dallas came up short on that deal.
That's what I'm wondering. It can't be that way though because then how could Notre Dame be in it or a ACC team.
I'm guessing Rose/Orange/Sugar will rotate championship and the other two plus the 3 will rotate the playoff bowls. But this is really confusing.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:13 pm to higgsBoson
every season 2 out of Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton, and CFA will be national semi finals.
The remaining 4 bowls will be filled out of the selection committee in some way.
The Championship will be rotated Final Four/Super Bowl style, and will be a separate 7th game.
What I don't understand, or haven't read yet, is when the Sugar and Rose for example are semi-finalists will the Pac/B1G and SEC/BigXII still be tied together in one of the other bowls, or will those slots become a free for all.
The remaining 4 bowls will be filled out of the selection committee in some way.
The Championship will be rotated Final Four/Super Bowl style, and will be a separate 7th game.
What I don't understand, or haven't read yet, is when the Sugar and Rose for example are semi-finalists will the Pac/B1G and SEC/BigXII still be tied together in one of the other bowls, or will those slots become a free for all.
This post was edited on 11/12/12 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:27 pm to CrippleCreek
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or will those slots become a free for all.
The bowls will be allowed to fill out their slots themselves, with some minimal guidelines such as the BCS currently has - only more relaxed. probably wont have a 2 team max per conf in that set of bowls as we have now.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:30 pm to blackjackjackson
They are going to ruin college football to placate the nobody conferences. 
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:46 pm to CalTiger53
quote:i think its a huge improvement...though i agree with you that eight teams would be better...my question is can they add more teams within the current deal or would they have to wait until the 12 year deal that they are going with expires.
Only if there are at least 8 teams, otherwise, marginal improvement
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:51 pm to Tiger Authority
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They are going to ruin college football to placate the nobody conferences
12 spots - only 1 is reserved for the best of the other 5 conferences. thats hardly ruining college football.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:51 pm to Madara
quote:
. What was wrong with USC? I've read that they had an incredible defense. Was it that they played one less game? Was the perception that losing on the road to 9-4 Oregon State was worse than losing at home to 9-4 Ole Miss? I really want y'all's take on 2008 USC.
Perception and stigma of Oregon State being lowly regardless of their record.
USC had 62 1st place votes in week 4...lost to Oregon State by 6 points on the road and fell from #1 to #9. Florida lost to Ole Miss and fell from #3 to #12. USC never recovered and kept getting leapfrogged...rising only as high as #5 in the polls while Florida rose to #2...and then beat #1 Bama in the SEC Championship game and rose to #1 for the Final BCS.
After the bowls, USC finished #2 in the final coaches poll.
But the pollsters/BCS are sure biased for USC.
This post was edited on 11/12/12 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 11/12/12 at 9:51 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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But you need computers that value strength of schedule not just human polls that reward perfect records from teams that paly no top 10 schools all year.
agree 100%- watch out for Notre Dame and Big Ten bias.
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